Should under 3YO fly commercial services?

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17 Things Your Flight Attendant Won't Tell You

If you don't like the heat - stay out of the kitchen.

It is funny what you considered fact has now changed to opinion. As others have pointed out, your posts were the first ones to come out blazing. I have just replied accordingly.✈
 
17 Things Your Flight Attendant Won't Tell You

. Fact is: Kids under the age of 3 suck big time on an aircraft :evil:, are a nuisance for everyone around them an most likely get traumatized for life just so that their ego-loaded parents can have a nice time. People like that should't even get kids but that's a different topic altogether.

Those are not facts they are merely your own ignorant opinions. How about answering my question about ego-loaded flyers who want to ban children from flying?

You got to have the last word, did you? And you must be joking, I was simply voicing an opinion which I think is totally justified (like any other opinion on here) and you started telling me that what I am saying is a "narrow minded load of cough"- who was the one who started taking this discussion to a whole new level of aggressiveness? I bet you won't be able to resist to have yet another last word but that's it from me on this thread- it's getting rather boring to be honest.

Given you reply I think you're the one seeking the last word. Also see the quote above where you claimed they were facts not opinions.
 
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You brought it up
Yes, I did. Am I not allowed to comment on something that is mentioned in the OP's article only because you disagree?

and you started the agressiveness in the first post with the "egocentric parents" comment.
See- that's where you are mistaken: I never attacked anyone on here personally until a certain other member started attacking me straight on by stating that what I'm saying is a "narrow minded load of cough". If you feel personally attacked just by me complaining about egocentric parents than that itself says a lot :lol:

Anyway- I wanted to leave you to it, in all that child-bearing, screeching fighting yelling bliss :cool:
 
17 Things Your Flight Attendant Won't Tell You

See- that's where you are mistaken: I never attacked anyone on here personally until a certain other member started attacking me straight on by stating that what I'm saying is a "narrow minded load of cough". If you feel personally attacked just by me complaining about egocentric parents than that itself says a lot :lol:

Actually you attacked a number of people who have posted in this thread. "The kid bearers trying to shut you up" are in fact members of AFF who you have attacked with your claim. You then go on to say these ego-centric parents don't deserve kids. Which is another attack against members here.

Of course now all the kid bearers are trying to shut me off just defend their turf, surprise surprise.

. People like that should't even get kids but that's a different topic altogether.
 
17 Things Your Flight Attendant Won't Tell You

I never attacked you, I just stated that what was written was cough. You brand people (which may come across as a direct attack) yet you can't handle when your opinion is rebutted.

Sorry, but it is a sensitive subject, so expect heated debate.
 
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I think the main reason why #15 was added to the list was primarily because - and this is a US-centric second-hand observation based on anecdotes - most pax expect FAs to take care of their little kids, whether they are 3 months, 3 years or 13 years.

Fact is, pax need to be able to take responsibility for their kids and to conduct themselves accordingly. Apart from those who clearly hate kids - forgetting of course that they once were a munchkin of some description (hopefully a good one) - most people I'd think on a plane couldn't care less about kids as long as they are not making a huge ruckus (as their parents, too). But, this is not the case as it seems from some anecdotes in the US:
  • A tray table is not a change table
  • Don't give a dirty nappy to the FA to throw away
  • FAs do not change your kids' dirty nappies
  • FAs are not babysitters on a first-come-first-served basis
  • Running your child up and down the aisles during meal service is a bad idea
  • Whilst crying babies are one thing, a loud child does not generally go down well with the cabin (if you were an adult, would you think personally making a loud ruckus was acceptable?)
If you were at a restaurant, would you expect the waiter(s) to take away dirty nappies, babysit your child and allow you to change your child's nappy on the table? Would you let your child run free through the restaurant, with waiters trying to rush orders to tables often with 3 plates at a time on their arms?

I can vouch that many members of this forum with young kids have managed them successfully through all of when they couldn't talk, could barely talk and when they could talk back and beyond, all travelling quite well without many issues. The reason why this is on the article list is because it is a general burden to the FAs.

If #15 was really intended to be read at the face value it was written, then I would suspect that the number of cases against FAs of cruelty to children should be much, much higher than the absence suggests. However, I'm more inclined to believe that it's a remark written in retaliation of the general poor and lax attitude adopted by irresponsible parents. That's a real shame as - as can be clearly evidenced from just this thread (and other children flying threads) - those who are responsible for their children when they fly are broad brushed in the same unfortunate fold; at best this means they are prejudiced and not believed when they can take care of their kids, and at worst we have the suggested persecution.
 
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Of course now all the kid bearers are trying to shut me off just defend their turf, surprise surprise. I'll stick to what I'm saying and will be closing off this ridiculous fight as it's just leading nowhere. Fact is: Kids under the age of 3 suck big time on an aircraft :evil:, are a nuisance for everyone around them an most likely get traumatized for life just so that their ego-loaded parents can have a nice time. People like that should't even get kids but that's a different topic altogether.

How about i re-phrase your comment (as it is opinion NOT fact):

I think kids under 3 on aircraft suck bigtime because I don't like kids.

How about some facts.

Majority of kids are not annoying. In nearly 500 flights i've never encountered a problem child, only problem DYKWIA's. I'd like to know how you think they are "traumatised for life"? Please explain this to me? My daughter loves to travel because she has done it since she was born. The only "trauma" is see is to my wallet funding these trips. And I am an ego-loaded parent? give me a break? That's like saying you are an ignorant self absorbed DYKWIA!!

And your last comment about not having kids.. THats one of the most ignorant flaming comments I've seen on here.
 
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Fact is: Kids under the age of 3 suck big time on an aircraft :evil:, are a nuisance for everyone around them an most likely get traumatized for life just so that their ego-loaded parents can have a nice time. People like that should't even get kids but that's a different topic altogether.

Are you aware of any evidence to support your assertion of long term psychological damage due to flying in the under three age group? I am not aware of any but certainly haven't studied the subject widely.

Why do you think parents travelling on public transport with children under the age of three are "ego-loaded" compared with similar age demographic travellers without children? Is it because they are travelling with infants, taking a holiday, visiting relatives or some other reason?

Would you please explain your reasons for these parents not to "even get kids?"
 
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Sorry, but it is a sensitive subject, so expect heated debate.

It's a sensitive subject for me too, especially if it spoils my otherwise perfectly fine flight.
 
Why do you think parents travelling on public transport with children under the age of three are "ego-loaded" compared with similar age demographic travellers without children? Is it because they are travelling with infants, taking a holiday, visiting relatives or some other reason?
Because it causes stress for the baby as well for everyone around them. If you get kids, take the responsibility that comes with it. And waiting a couple of years until taking them on an aircraft ride is really not asking too much. If it is really too much to sacrifice, then see below.

Would you please explain your reasons for these parents not to "even get kids?"

See above. Obviously not able to handle them. As said before- some rare exceptions like the sick grandmother excepted. But not just so that the parents can go on a joyful holiday while torturing both their own kid and everyone around them. And, no, I don't have a proper scientific paper to back this up but it seems pretty obvious to me that the poor babies have a reason to cry without stopping.

I don't even "hate" kids, I just don't think an airplane is the right place for an infant. And who puts a baby into the world can't expect the rest of society to take care of it upbringing. I don't even get a dog because I don't want the responsibility that comes with it :shock:
 
Because it causes stress for the baby as well for everyone around them. If you get kids, take the responsibility that comes with it. And waiting a couple of years until taking them on an aircraft ride is really not asking too much. If it is really too much to sacrifice, then see below.



See above. Obviously not able to handle them. As said before- some rare exceptions like the sick grandmother excepted. But not just so that the parents can go on a joyful holiday while torturing both their own kid and everyone around them. And, no, I don't have a proper scientific paper to back this up but it seems pretty obvious to me that the poor babies have a reason to cry without stopping.

I don't even "hate" kids, I just don't think an airplane is the right place for an infant. And who puts a baby into the world can't expect the rest of society to take care of it upbringing. I don't even get a dog because I don't want the responsibility that comes with it :shock:

So what you are actually stating is your opinions on the subject of child rearing with particular respect to travel and you have also stated that you don't currently have children, or a dog because you "don't want the responsibility that comes with it "

Thankyou for clearing that up for me
 
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Of course now all the kid bearers are trying to shut me off just defend their turf, surprise surprise. I'll stick to what I'm saying and will be closing off this ridiculous fight as it's just leading nowhere. Fact is: Kids under the age of 3 suck big time on an aircraft :evil:, are a nuisance for everyone around them an most likely get traumatized for life just so that their ego-loaded parents can have a nice time. People like that should't even get kids but that's a different topic altogether.

Would love to see the science behind this lot.

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It's a sensitive subject for me too, especially if it spoils my otherwise perfectly fine flight.

Many of us - perhaps including yourself - have had flights spoilt by loud and demanding DYKWIA types. How would you suggest we deal with these problems, which I suspect are far more prevalent that those relating to parents not keeping adequate control of their children?

(P.S. I don't have children, but have no problem with childen travelling in J or F. I can't recall ever having a flight spoilt by noisy kids.)
 
Because it causes stress for the baby as well for everyone around them. If you get kids, take the responsibility that comes with it. And waiting a couple of years until taking them on an aircraft ride is really not asking too much. If it is really too much to sacrifice, then see below.

So what you're saying is that my father should have died before he go to see his first grandchild.

Also that I should not have taken a better job in a different city because my child can't be allowed to fly for a few years.

Great opinions you have all about children when you have absolutely no idea about the personal circumstances of the child who is travelling.

Answer this question exactly how do you know that the one child that wrecked your flight wasn't travelling to see a sick relative?
 
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Many of us - perhaps including yourself - have had flights spoilt by loud and demanding DYKWIA types. How would you suggest we deal with these problems, which I suspect are far more prevalent that those relating to parents not keeping adequate control of their children?

(P.S. I don't have children, but have no problem with childen travelling in J or F. I can't recall ever having a flight spoilt by noisy kids.)

Totally agree John.

Berlin, I find your remarks quite offensive.

Has anyone here ever had a 3 yo
- Use their mobile when not allowed ?
- Reclined their seat inconsiderately ?
- Been rude towards the FAs ?
- Drunk too much and been a nuisance to all around them as a result ?
- Taken up more than their fair share of the allocated seating due to being over-sized ?

I could go on but you get the picture, seems only one person on this thread has a narrow minded view about traveling juniors.
 
I'd love to see the evidence that flying is dangerous for children under 3. Unless of course they get allocated the seat next to Berlin.
 
So what you're saying is that my father should have died before he go to see his first grandchild.Also that I should not have taken a better job in a different city because my child can't be allowed to fly for a few years.Great opinions you have all about children when you have absolutely no idea about the personal circumstances of the child who is travelling. Answer this question exactly how do you know that the one child that wrecked your flight wasn't travelling to see a sick relative?
Ouhm- could you please have a scroll back up- I've specifically excluded cases like this from the start as I personally know enough parents who have to travel for reasons like you mention. I have enough friends and work colleagues who have to travel with their kids for work reasons etc. and they are usually the first once to admit that it's not ideal for the kids and that they'd wait until the kids grow a bit older if they had a choice. I'm talking about the kind of joy travellers who couldn't care at all about their surroundings. Or their crying kids, for that matter.
 
So whenever a parent wants to travel with a child they need to pass "Berlins Fitness for Travel" test.

I think you are just a little bored and out to stir us.
 
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