Denied seat recline on long haul

[Mal Ware]

I would personally approve eliminating the recline feature on all domestic flights worldwide. There, that will probably open another huge can of worms. Then expand that to International flights of < 5 hours (treading on thin ice I know).

I would also agree with this. The Dash 8's are a perfect example, ample legroom and space between seats and they cannot recline. It has been a couple of years since I have been on one but they used to be like that and were great.

 

[Trashy]

I would also agree with this. The Dash 8's are a perfect example, ample legroom and space between seats and they cannot recline. It has been a couple of years since I have been on one but they used to be like that and were great.

one of the many reasons I enjoy flying QantasLink!

 

[zachary.august]

I've seen in this thread people talking about being tall and expecting the person in front of you not to recline etc and I personally think that if you're tall and willing elect to fly Y then any hardships that come your way are your fault. If your tall and want space then fly F or J. Simple

 

[sumthinfornuthin]

Not everyone can afford to fly F or J

 

[BadgerBoi]

Not everyone can afford to fly F or J

Then, sadly, those who can't afford it will just have to live with the fact that they will have less room than people who can. Width and pitch.

 

[sumthinfornuthin]

:shock:So moneied people can just thumb their nose at others that may not have as much to spend as them or don't run businesses where they have truck loads of expenses etc to pay on C/card and wish to waste it on padded seats for 8 hours when others choose to spend it when they get there on accomodation and activities ??? ??

The world is live and let live and a bit of give and take goes a long way to create a lot of happy campers

 

[serfty]

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The world is live and let live and a bit of give and take goes a long way to create a lot of happy campers

So, recline slowly when you do and make sure it's not at an inappropriate time - see post #337 ...

 

[Pushka]

So, recline slowly when you do and make sure it's not at an inappropriate time - see post #337 ...

Too much common sense shown here. Not good enough.

 

[zachary.august]

Not everyone can afford to fly F or J

:shock:So moneied people can just thumb their nose at others that may not have as much to spend as them or don't run businesses where they have truck loads of expenses etc to pay on C/card and wish to waste it on padded seats for 8 hours when others choose to spend it when they get there on accomodation and activities ??? ??

The world is live and let live and a bit of give and take goes a long way to create a lot of happy campers

Okay, then if we're going to indulge in this equitable bull excrement, let's start it well and truly. I am tall, I pay with my own money to fly F. I don't use your money. I use mine. I have worked hard for it, I don't use points, I don't use credit cards very often funnily enough. If you're tall and you elect to fly Y then deal with the fact that you are going to be uncomfortable no matter what. You chose it.Why shouldn't someone else who paid the exact same amount of money as you be declined their right to recline simply because you didn't pay for extra space? I don't see why you want something for nothing ? So sumthinfornuthin what would you propose? No recline permitted? Reclining is permitted except when someone tall is working or has long legs?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

:shock:So moneied people can just thumb their nose at others that may not have as much to spend as them or don't run businesses where they have truck loads of expenses etc to pay on C/card and wish to waste it on padded seats for 8 hours when others choose to spend it when they get there on accomodation and activities ??? ??

The world is live and let live and a bit of give and take goes a long way to create a lot of happy campers

hmmm... is seems to reinforce the whole 'victim mentality' of the anti-seat recliners. now it's 'monied people' who are the perpetrators in this totally unfair, unjust, un social society... exerting their 'control' over the hapless people who are subjugated and forced to fly economy...

then there were the earlier comments (from another poster) where - although reclining is not generally ok because you have to respect the person behind you - it is ok to recline if it is a small person or child (some how they are less deserving of respect or consideration). again, another example of the victim mentality... the 'victim' in turn picks-on/bullies someone who they feel is smaller than they are (the small person or child).

both of these seem to nicely support the theory

 

[whatmeworry]

Found this on another site and is quite a apt description of recliners.

[h=3]The recliner[/h]
The recliner or “The lounger”, also known as “The guy who still thinks it’s ok to recline in coach” is the passenger who even though they know everyone is cramped, still reclines their seat so that you cannot even go to the toilet. “The recliners with a superiority complex” are known to recline their seats at the most inconvenient time, such as when you have your food or drink. In the worst case scenario, behind you is a sweet old lady who you would not dream of reclining into. “The seat pusher” is the passenger who pushes their seat as far back as it goes and takes their shoes off leaving you from next to no legroom to no legroom.

Passenger Types

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Found this on another site and is quite a apt description of recliners.



Passenger Types

haha. another example of victim / loss of control / low self esteem mentality. anti recliners actually think the person in front thinks they have a superiority complex (therefore the person behind becomes a victim). these people should see a therapist!

 

[sumthinfornuthin]

haha. another example of victim / loss of control / low self esteem mentality. anti recliners actually think the person in front thinks they have a superiority complex (therefore the person behind becomes a victim). these people should see a therapist!

Maybe it's not these people who need to see a therapist.

If people on both sides were a bit more considerate everyone then has a half comfortable existence and as for the poster who pays for his own F seats...............good on you..............you can recline to your hearts content sip on your Bolly and no one behind you would even know so guess it might take the thrill out of it heh whilst us peasants up the back just try to get through the flight with their Jacobs Creek ??

 

[Mal Ware]

haha. another example of victim / loss of control / low self esteem mentality. anti recliners actually think the person in front thinks they have a superiority complex (therefore the person behind becomes a victim). these people should see a therapist!

Hope your not a budding psychologist or psychiatrist. Your future patients are in big trouble if you are.

 

[Mal Ware]

A Traveler’s Guide to In-Flight Courtesy | iTravelStories.com :: Travel Blog

[h=1]A Traveler’s Guide to In-Flight Courtesy[/h]Save yourself (and moreover the person behind you) some serious aggrivation and just take a moment and look behind you and motion and yes even say “hey, i’m gonna recline a bit” and give them a heads up. They’ll thank you and you’ll know if they need a moment to prepare their stuff. Also, if the person is tall,.. be a sport and save their knees, don’t recline that much! Just because the button is there doesn’t mean you HAVE to recline. Like spandex, this is a privilege and NOT a right.

 

[RWJ777]

Then, sadly, those who can't afford it will just have to live with the fact that they will have less room than people who can. Width and pitch.

Or if they're heavy, lose some weight. Now I'm really courting trouble!

 

[ermen]

Would be good to get RedRoo's or a cabin crew's take on this which should put the matter to rest

What is the official policy / standard operating procedure on recline in Y?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Would be good to get RedRoo's or a cabin crew's take on this which should put the matter to rest

What is the official policy / standard operating procedure on recline in Y?

the law is no recline for taxi, take-off and landing. Not sure about QF policy for meal times. But otherwise, the advertised feature of the seat is recline.

As a passenger you are required to comply with lawful crew member instructions. 'Don't recline because the passenger behind you doesn't like it' is unlikely to be a lawful instruction.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Hope your not a budding psychologist or psychiatrist. Your future patients are in big trouble if you are.

I can only go by the report I read where a passenger stated they felt threatened and bullied because because they were reclined on (IIRC it was a female being reclined on by a male). They genuinely believed the recliner was engaging in bullying (refusing to accept the passenger in front might just be trying to get comfortable). A lot of the discussion seems to fit with that mentality. normal behaviour for a passenger choosing to fly economy is to accept the constraints of that class of travel and not try and control how others behave just because they don't like it (except for safety issues).

If anyone needs to go to the extent of actively annoying a recliner (preventing their seat being reclined, using their seat as leverage to get up, jostling their sea etc etct) then there are two courses of action. First - the law (potential assualt charges). Secondly, trying to work out what is causing that abnormal response. That's where the psych comes in. They need to work with the person to try and associate proper behavioural responses in a given situation.

 

[ermen]

I'm sure QF will have an internal policy for crew on seat recline (and it pretty much incles not reclining at meal times but OK otherwise)

Also seems like that is the end of the story. If you don't like the policy, you are welcome to walk / bus / swim / boat / fly another airline (or different cabin)...