Some good points about Qantas

[JohnPhelan]

I would ask you to prove the threats were real, offenders name/court dates/results. Off you go....

Lesson 101 on the Australian legal system:

When an allegation is made, the burden of proof rests with the person making the allegation.

You allege the complaints were fictitious. Therefore, it's up to you to prove that your allegation is correct. Full stop. That's the way the legal system works.

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, given your proclivity to make defamatory remarks about people, it's clear you have no understanding whatsoever of the law.

And on the substance of the matter, you will find that the police did sight the threatening materials. The problem, as always with these types of anonymous threats made by gutless bullies, is that it's almost impossible to track down the offenders. They don't have the fortitude to sign them with their real names.

 

[777]

Some people like dividends - some like to gamble......

Not a gamble, I took a postion at the time that Virgin was undervalued relative to the quality of its management, its strategy and the competence of its main competitor and put a small amount of money where my mouth was.

 

[Must...Fly!]

Not a gamble, I took a postion at the time that Virgin was undervalued relative to the quality of its management, its strategy and the competence of its main competitor and put a small amount of money where my mouth was.

That's pretty much a gamble lol, just a calculated one.

 

[Mal Ware]

Lesson 101 on the Australian legal system:

When an allegation is made, the burden of proof rests with the person making the allegation.

Which brings us full circle, where is the proof of the threats actually existing, there is none and you cannot provide any. So I am not sure why you are continuing on with this other than looking for an argument.

You allege the complaints were fictitious. Therefore, it's up to you to prove that your allegation is correct. Full stop. That's the way the legal system works.

LOL I agreed with the original writer of the article that the threats were fictitious. I did not allege the complaints themselves were. You really need to re-read before you post.

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, given your proclivity to make defamatory remarks about people, it's clear you have no understanding whatsoever of the law.

So now you are making allegations about me? LOL How about sticking to the subject at hand rather than accusing me of making defamatory remarks? BTW I previously worked in Law enforement for many years and have given evidence in court on probably about 40 different occasions so your comment about no understanding whatsever of the law is only about 99.9 percent wrong.

And on the substance of the matter, you will find that the police did sight the threatening materials. The problem, as always with these types of anonymous threats made by gutless bullies, is that it's almost impossible to track down the offenders. They don't have the fortitude to sign them with their real names.

So your saying the Police did sight threatening materials, where is the link to that? Any proof?
And even if there were, from what you say it is exactly as I suspected, an anonymous internet message on some forum which hardly equates to a valid threat. LOL

Thanks for proving helping me to prove my point of view, the whole exercise of the police complaint was simply to gain public support for Joyce as he stranded thousands of people and eroded the share price an image of an Australian icon.

btw no charge for that lesson

 

[medhead]

Which brings us full circle, where is the proof of the threats actually existing, there is none and you cannot provide any. So I am not sure why you are continuing on with this other than looking for an argument.

We known that the police did in fact conduct an investigation. Whatever proof existed would have been given to them by Qantas as the basis of that investigation. Unless We are to believe that the police investigated something for the hell of it. In other word the police have it and of course they are not releasing it to public

LOL I agreed with the original writer of the article that the threats were fictitious. I did not allege the complaints themselves were. You really need to re-read before you post.

So what is the basis for you're agreement?


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[nlagalle]

Which brings us full circle, where is the proof of the threats actually existing, there is none and you cannot provide any. So I am not sure why you are continuing on with this other than looking for an argument.

As none of us are/were directly involved in the investigation, we can only rely on what was released by the police and Qantas. So to you, here is a link from last year:

Qantas points finger at unions after Joyce death threats

Which states the letters were delivered to his house (and also other QF execs).

So your saying the Police did sight threatening materials, where is the link to that? Any proof?
And even if there were, from what you say it is exactly as I suspected, an anonymous internet message on some forum which hardly equates to a valid threat. LOL

see above, the letters were hand delivered. no veiled internet threats as you suggested.

Thanks for proving helping me to prove my point of view, the whole exercise of the police complaint was simply to gain public support for Joyce as he stranded thousands of people and eroded the share price an image of an Australian icon.

btw no charge for that lesson

So Qantas wrote up the letters and delivered them, fabricating the whole thing? I think you have proved your lack of knowledge on the incident.

 

[eastwest101]

This is about the only recent news about this from the SMH, maybe the police are constrained about what they can say as it could still be an on-going investigation but I think they could have been a bit clearer and said either "its an ongoing investigation so we can't make further comment" or "we could obtain sufficient evidence to make any charges". By saying that the police spoke to someone just invites all sorts of possible wild theories about what was going on.

The NSW Police have, without explanation, dropped their investigation into alleged death threats made against Qantas's chief executive Alan Joyce and other senior managers. Complaints from Qantas about threatening letters and emails led to police forming a taskforce during the escalating industrial dispute with unions representing long-haul pilots, aircraft engineers and ground crew including baggage handlers.

But NSW Police have confirmed that Strike Force Barrine – made up of officers from Botany Bay Local Area Command – has decided not to continue the investigation. A police spokesman would not elaborate on the reasons that the investigation had ended.

"As far as the investigation is concerned, it was alive and now it's not," he said. The Australian Federal Police have also confirmed that they were "not investigating any specific threats made against Qantas executives and employees". The alleged threats received widespread media coverage in early October, but unions questioned whether they were a "PR stunt" by the airline to win public support.

Qantas contacted police after Mr Joyce received a threatening letter in May, which contained the name and address of the author. The police later deemed that the letter did not constitute a death threat, although the author was spoken to and the "matter finalised". Police were also notified on October 5 about an email sent to Mr Joyce which contained in its subject line the words "death threats". However, the body copy of the email did not use those words.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/qantas-deaththreat-probe--dies-20111123-1ntpl.html#ixzz2BJqmSz2D
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[Mal Ware]

The NSW Police have, without explanation, dropped their investigation into alleged death threats made against Qantas's chief executive Alan Joyce and other senior managers. Complaints from Qantas about threatening letters and emails led to police forming a taskforce during the escalating industrial dispute with unions representing long-haul pilots, aircraft engineers and ground crew including baggage handlers.

But NSW Police have confirmed that Strike Force Barrine – made up of officers from Botany Bay Local Area Command – has decided not to continue the investigation. A police spokesman would not elaborate on the reasons that the investigation had ended."As far as the investigation is concerned, it was alive and now it's not," he said. The Australian Federal Police have also confirmed that they were "not investigating any specific threats made against Qantas executives and employees". The alleged threats received widespread media coverage in early October, but unions questioned whether they were a "PR stunt" by the airline to win public support.

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Well there you go, that pretty much supports my stance that the complaint at the time was simply a media stunt to gain sympathy and support.

Investigation dropped due to lack of evidence or specific threats.

Looks like a few on here who like to attack my posts need to enjoy some humble pie for lunch. ​

 

[nlagalle]

Well there you go, that pretty much supports my stance that the complaint at the time was simply a media stunt to gain sympathy and support.

Investigation dropped due to lack of evidence or specific threats.

Looks like a few on here who like to attack my posts need to enjoy some humble pie for lunch. [/LEFT]

Where does it say lack of evidence? there is nothing at all that mentions it.

 

[medhead]

Well there you go, that pretty much supports my stance that the complaint at the time was simply a media stunt to gain sympathy and support.

Investigation dropped due to lack of evidence or specific threats.

Looks like a few on here who like to attack my posts need to enjoy some humble pie for lunch. [/LEFT]

Sorry how does that support your position. Where's the evidence it was a media stunt?


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[samh004]

Maybe this post needs to be split into its own thread.

I'm not too interested in the topic, but just want to make a passing observation. Why is it that when someone feels threatened on this site they go out of their way to be a nuisance and post provocatively? Yes, there've been some fair points raised in this thread, and I realise everything is an "IMHO" on this site, but I hardly see the need to go around blasting others and trying to be a pain. I know we're all itchy over the "T" word, but I honestly don't see why members, be them long time or new, feel the need to sort of exact revenge.

This site is a great community, full of many diverse people from many different backgrounds, that for the most part want to help everyone to see the value of points, even if that's a detriment to our own point redeeming goals. Occasionally though, posts can come off more critical than planned, and that doesn't mean we're against new, or old members, but just means the message has been confused.

I'm sort of rambling through this now, but I'm just getting the distinct impression that no matter what happens in the world, even to the point of Qantas shares going to $10, IFE in seats in 767's all the way to Dash-8's and Qantas paying a glorious dividend, those that feel they have been wronged will still stir the pot. I don't understand why, the community is great, wouldn't it be better to be a part of it than fight it?

Apologies if this is a taboo topic not to be discussed. I'm just so upset that this keeps happening. I don't see the point quite frankly.

 

[JohnK]

Regardless of what I think of Qantas management and the poor decision making process I still Qantas is a world class airline and in many ways streets ahead of other carriers.

Interesting dilemma....