New BNE pickup area with 20 mins free parking to open late August.

[anat0l]

Is there actually anything from stopping people being picked up in the drop off zone?

By rights, you can only pick up people in the drop off zone if you have someone who is disabled, which necessitates having a suitable permit. Without that, I believe you can be fined.

Don't ask me the exact enforcement mechanics, however (i.e. you could probably just speed off, flip the traffic attendant the bird, and be done with without being on the hook).

 

[samh004]

By rights, you can only pick up people in the drop off zone if you have someone who is disabled, which necessitates having a suitable permit. Without that, I believe you can be fined.

Don't ask me the exact enforcement mechanics, however (i.e. you could probably just speed off, flip the traffic attendant the bird, and be done with without being on the hook).

I think the question leads to the ideas of private companies enforcing traffic infringements, which historically hasn't gone down well, though the last I heard the courts sided with the companies not the public... but beyond that, failure to comply isn't illegal, or at the least it becomes civil not criminal.

 

[munitalP]

I think the question leads to the ideas of private companies enforcing traffic infringements, which historically hasn't gone down well, though the last I heard the courts sided with the companies not the public... but beyond that, failure to comply isn't illegal, or at the least it becomes civil not criminal.

SMH say a lot here...

Brisbane Airport Parking Concerns | Changes Flagged

and No News also got in on the act...

Brisbane Airport Corporation acknowledges failure of new pick-up zone, calling for ideas for improvements | News.com.au

I have been tweeting nasty messages to BNE airport every time I pass through BNE since these changes started. I cannot believe in this day and age a planning can go so wrong... then low and behold, I flew into ADL a week ago...

 

[samh004]

SMH say a lot here...

Brisbane Airport Parking Concerns | Changes Flagged

and No News also got in on the act...

Brisbane Airport Corporation acknowledges failure of new pick-up zone, calling for ideas for improvements | News.com.au

I have been tweeting nasty messages to BNE airport every time I pass through BNE since these changes started. I cannot believe in this day and age a planning can go so wrong... then low and behold, I flew into ADL a week ago...

The pedestrian area in front of the terminal was a great idea, but there still should have been a departing and arriving lane. I don't know how hard that will be to implement now, but better than the current system maybe... which I scribbled on a mud map having never used it and was fairly accurate

 

[markis10]

I don't know why they didn't just make the old short park temporary areas into pickup points at each end of the terminal, already had the ticket and gates in place, and kept the traffic away from the centre area whilst also having a thinning effect on all traffic by splitting it three ways.

 

[serfty]

I don't know why they didn't just make the old short park temporary areas into pickup points at each end of the terminal, already had the ticket and gates in place, and kept the traffic away from the centre area whilst also having a thinning effect on all traffic by splitting it three ways.

I suspect they perceived they'd increase revenue with this little idea ...

 

[ozbeachbabe]

I suspect they perceived they'd increase revenue with this little idea ...

BAC - profit is not a dirty word.

 

[anat0l]

BAC - profit is not a dirty word.

The race is between BAC and SACL/Macquarie.

It's more like having a two horse race, but instead of you wanting to hold a ticket backing the winner, you want to hold a rifle and decide which one you want to shoot. :evil:

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[ozbeachbabe]

The race is between BAC and SACL/Macquarie.

It's more like having a two horse race, but instead of you wanting to hold a ticket backing the winner, you want to hold a rifle and decide which one you want to shoot. :evil:

You would actually waste a round on them?

 

[dougieboy]

I use paid parking everytime - I'm not going to allow a situation to occur in which loved ones/family members (especially my mother) haul baggage and undertake a walkathon. My time is a premium, so too the people I care for, and nobody ever appreciated a cheap skate.

 

[TonyD]

I wonder if all the people like me who complained directly and constructively and were treated with utter contempt will now receive an apology? I have sent them three solutions via Facebook site but what arrogance, " we need idea" sorry CEO you get the bucks! We tried to tell you, you figure it out!!!!

 

[Deleted member]

Maybe it's the desired result? Make us all pay for parking


It is I, Leclerc !

 

[anat0l]

Maybe it's the desired result? Make us all pay for parking

Charging everyone a flat $100 fee for entering the airport area - whether it be by air, road, train, other mobile transport or foot - would achieve the same thing - BAC profit coffers. It's just that this "solution" would be much less popular, and just may gain the ire of the government interests.


Come to think of it, what really stops the BAC from charging whatever it likes to use whatever facilities at the airport? They own the airport, there is hardly an alternative (bar OOL, possibly), there isn't much case for the competition commission to say that what they are charging is right or wrong, and even if they were then they can hardly indict the BAC on charges because BAC are the sole available operators of the airport. And the government and the BAC probably have an agreement which, unless some constitutional powers were invoked, prevents the government from having an active hand in the management of the airport (and then it is a difference between having the airport and the commercial operation of the airport), and there is no way the government will buy back or seize the airport from private hands.

So technically, BAC could choke us all dry with charges and there's nothing we can do about it?

 

[k_sheep]

So technically, BAC could choke us all dry with charges and there's nothing we can do about it?

Like they are already? Like most airports in the world really.

 

[markis10]

Come to think of it, what really stops the BAC from charging whatever it likes to use whatever facilities at the airport? They own the airport, there is hardly an alternative (bar OOL, possibly), there isn't much case for the competition commission to say that what they are charging is right or wrong, and even if they were then they can hardly indict the BAC on charges because BAC are the sole available operators of the airport. And the government and the BAC probably have an agreement which, unless some constitutional powers were invoked, prevents the government from having an active hand in the management of the airport (and then it is a difference between having the airport and the commercial operation of the airport), and there is no way the government will buy back or seize the airport from private hands.

So technically, BAC could choke us all dry with charges and there's nothing we can do about it?

Do you really think that is the case? The Government has a very active role in making sure it does not have airports ripping people off, and the law that supports this ( airports act 1996) empowers the ACCC to be the watchdog.

On 7 April 2008, the Assistant Treasurer and Minister for Competition Policy and Consumer Affairs directed the ACCC to formally monitor prices, costs and profits relating to the supply of car parking at Adelaide, Brisbane, Melbourne, Perth and Sydney airports. This direction (Direction 31) also states that the ACCC must report to the Minister on the monitoring activities following the end of each financial year. This monitoring is done in accordance with section 95ZF of Part VIIA of the TPA. The direction came into effect on 7 April 2008

 

[Blackbird]

Ah.. The ACCC.
Lots of noise and very little action.

Like most things provided the statement is simply the price has gone up, you'll find there is very little the government can actually do.

 

[markis10]

Ah.. The ACCC.
Lots of noise and very little action.

Like most things provided the statement is simply the price has gone up, you'll find there is very little the government can actually do.

Maybe the action is not needed, there is clearly something stopping the various airports from hitting harder, and I would suggest they (ACCC) are reasonably successful, at least compared to CBD parking costs! While not a fan of BAC myself, over the past ten years things seem to have gotten better re facilities and costs, now if someone could do something about alternate transport options,that would be nice, I like the ADL $2 public bus!

 

[yo yo ma]

Pick-up at front of airport now reinstated

Brisbane Airport Pick Up Returns After Customer Complaints

 

[samh004]

Pick-up at front of airport now reinstated

Brisbane Airport Pick Up Returns After Customer Complaints

This isn't a good move at all, if they're allowing pickups in the drop off points again, it'll just return to the traffic mess it was before. The front of the terminal area is all pedestrianised now, so they can't be sending cars down there.

Now if they had two separate roads, that would help alleviate the problem, but from my reading, instead we're going back to a massive bottleneck.

It's not a bad idea to increase the wait time before a charge, half an hour should suffice... as you're not parking and going into the terminal generally, you're just waiting for your guests to front up to where you're waiting. So plan your time carefully.

 

[anat0l]

This isn't a good move at all, if they're allowing pickups in the drop off points again, it'll just return to the traffic mess it was before. The front of the terminal area is all pedestrianised now, so they can't be sending cars down there.

Now if they had two separate roads, that would help alleviate the problem, but from my reading, instead we're going back to a massive bottleneck.

It's not a bad idea to increase the wait time before a charge, half an hour should suffice... as you're not parking and going into the terminal generally, you're just waiting for your guests to front up to where you're waiting. So plan your time carefully.

Main problems with having two separate roads before was the foot traffic crossing the road, which really held up the flow.

But since the new drop-off (and now again pick-up) area is shorter than the old, old setup, it's bound to bring back hallmarks of the disastrous congestion.

Dividing up the area into drop-off and pick-up zones will be of little use, and will be ignored.

I wouldn't mind the traffic guardians being much more zealous and enforcing the strict 2 minutes only for drop off and pick up (except for disabled people), and allowed to issue on-the-spot fines; needless to say, there's still no guarantee that BAC (or the operators of that part of the airport) can actually have that much legal forcing (i.e. if they issue a parking / moving violation fine, can they enforce that it will be paid).

The new and derided pick-up area should have a longer "free time" (I'd say 35-40 minutes), but it is true that the way the flow of the area was designed is a recipe for disaster. People walking without regard everywhere, impeding the flow of traffic, confusing traffic cones and bollards attempting to enforce a single direction of flow, then bottlenecking at the exit (of which the exit flow also disrupts the main flow).... all ridiculous.

What BNE really needs is:

• One level closest to the terminal for departures.
• Another level closest to the terminal for arrivals.
• Another set of drop off / pick up zone(s) further away from the terminal, with access to the terminal provided by a walkway which does not require walking through the roads corresponding to the two zones listed above.

IIRC the BNE D Master Plan, put back stupidly by at least 5 years, was to design a full two-level terminal with upper level departures and lower level arrivals.