Scooting into SIN with Scoot

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Mal

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Prelude:

Scoot is a brand new airline. Owned by Singapore Airlines and based in Singapore, they have ambitious plans as a mid/long-haul Low Cost Carrier. Australia was their launch market, with regular flights to Sydney and Coolangatta (Gold Coast). They also have plans to fly to several other Asian cities, including Bangkok, Taipei, Tianjin (China) and Tokyo.

They currently have two Boeing 777-200 planes, ex-Singapore Airlines, and after an Internet based competition have named them "Barry" and "Goin’ Scootin’". Yes, they were the winning names. Very cringe worthy.

There are two classes of service, with four seating configurations.
Business - 2-4-2 seating configuration. Pitch 38", width 22".
Standard Economy ($A4 seat selection fee if you want to preselect a seat, and trust me -- you do!) - 3-4-3 seating configuration. Pitch 31". width 21". Blue fabric
Super Seats ($A24) - 3-4-3 seating configuration. Pitch 35". width 21". Yellow fabric. Seats infront can recline.
S-t-r-e-t-c-h Seats ($A79) - 3-4-3 seating configuration. Pitch 35". width 21". Yellow fabric. Front row seats / exit rows - no recliners in front.
(figures are taken from Wikipedia, they look to be correct and I have no reason to doubt the pitch/widths. )

As part of their launch deals, they had a fare sale offering return airfares for circa $140 from OOL to SIN. Being a LCC which markets one way fares, this meant they loaded the fares as one-way. Hence I was able to find a one-way fare to SIN from OOL for less than $70 ($A68 for the seat only, no prepaid food, no prepaid luggage, but including a $4 seat selection fee. Note, the credit card transaction (MC/Visa only - No Amex) is processed in Singapore, so an overseas transaction fee may be charged by your bank.

So - for roughly $70, I had a one way ticket to Singapore. How bad could it be? Well read on ;)


Now to the trip report:

My day started very early on Wednesday (13 June). After nutting out the various options how to go one-way to OOL from BNE, I decided that in the true spirit of low cost travel, I would use public transport to OOL from BNE. So onto the Gold Coast train line I go. 90 mins later I was at the Gold Coast, transferred to an airport bus and at the terminal less than an hour later. Total cost was about $15. It really was going to be a cheap day!

Check-in was already open (~4 hours before flight), and check-in was pretty painless. My hand luggage was weighed (10.3Kg - technically "just" over their 7kg bag limit + 3kg laptop limit), but was accepted without any dramas. A "Hand Luggage" tag was attached around the handle, I was given my boarding pass and immigration documents and cleared security into the domestic terminal quickly. I whiled away a couple of hours in the "food court" watching travellers and their quirks, and looking through the shops.

The incoming Scoot plane landed about 9:30. There was a lot of excitement from ground crew (both Virgin and Jetstar) who rushed up to the windows to gawk at the new bird in town. The Fire Brigade were on standby to give the traditional "welcome" shower onto the plane, although I didn't see this occur as I was in the wrong part of the terminal.

At about 11am, I decided that I would try and access the new Virgin lounge using "anytime" access. (thought it would be a little wrong to head in around 9am for a 1pm flight - plus the bar opens at 11!), so walk up to the front counter and am warmly welcomed. I mentioned I'm not actually flying Virgin today, is this ok? Get a yes back, and the usual "Do you need a boarding pass, or do you already have one". Would have been funny to see if Virgin could print a Scoot boarding pass.

The lounge is well set out. Very friendly staff - in particular the bar/barista lady working. But this TR isn't about the Virgin lounge, so I'll leave it there. Was there for about an hour, fully charged my phone, had a couple of beers and browsed internet.

Depart the lovely Virgin lounge and head through security screening / outbound immigration at OOL. Bit of a mess, but apart from being barked at for not removing my laptop for the secondary baggage screen (wasn't asked to remove it) and immigration taking about 10 mins of queuing, got there in the end. The international departures area at OOL is pretty poor. There's the obligatory duty free store, a bookseller and a cafe. Found a seat in the cafe and spent my time there before the flight.

The departure lounge was very full. There are over 400 passengers on a fully loaded Scoot plane, and there were people everywhere. Eventually boarding starts, and queues snaked in every direction. Passports were checked and BPs scanned, and then we walked outside to the plane.

Scoot divides their plane into "Zones", presumably Zone 1 is Business, Zone 2 is Stretch/Super Seats, Zone 3 is about 4 rows of Stretch/Super Seats and the front of normal economy, and Zone 4 is the rest of the plane. Zone 4 were told to board from the rear stairs, zones 1-3 were told to board from front stairs. Many people were trying to take photos of the plane, but ground staff were telling them to keep moving.
 
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So onto the plane we scoot. My initial impression was "Ouch, this is tight!". One of the staff members asks to see my boarding pass, and then points me to the wrong seat. LOL. At least I was on the ball and knew where I should be sitting.

I sit down in my seat (middle aisle). This wasn't actually the seat I had pre-allocated, it was one row back. Scoot had to re-issue all bookings due to a airline code change. But the change was negligible, so wasn't worried. Secretly I was hoping that the two middle seats (or at least the one next to me) remained empty ... but my hopes were dashed at the last minute when a couple indicate that's where they are seated.

Looking around the cabin, I really got the perception that things were tight. The aisles were pretty skinny - not sure of exact width, but they were pretty skinny. Fitted my rollaboard ok, but knew this would be a big hassle when food service occurred.

The seats don't have a lot of width. I was very "close" to my neighbour, being two blokes we did end up accidentally rubbing shoulders quite a bit!

Here's a photo from my seat over to the Window seats. They do have a bit more legroom than this photo suggests though!

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And the obligatory "knee" shot showing my legroom ... Yes, it was tight!
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(Note how skinny the seat pocket is... more about this later)

Here's a photo of the other three seats in my block, and someone else in a window seat's legs.

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Note the seat type though. No headrest - just fabric. Seats were comfy enough, but the lack of head support is a bit annoying.
 
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Departure ends up being about 20 mins delayed. Think they were still loading bags. The pilot was a very chatty pilot. I'm sure he loved the sound of his own voice! He talks about how Safety is important to Scoot, and they won't skimp on safety. He even said something like "My co-pilot is Tom (not the actual name), say hello Tom", and the co-pilot says hello... A little strange.

Take-off was handled well, and I managed to snooze from take-off until the seat belt sign went off. The cabin crew seemed fairly disorganised. Some staff members were marking the seats of customers (with stickers) who had pre-paid for a meal. Others seemed to be wandering around aimlessly. There were a large number of FAs on this flight, I think well over 10, but I didn't count them. There was a mix of FAs in the (IMHO hideous) Scoot uniform, and ones wearing bright yellow polo shirts. I think the polo shirts were senior staff/crew trainers etc.

The CEO of Scoot was onboard, and said hello to a few people around the place. Natalie Gruzlewski (of Channel 9 Gold Coast / Getaway fame), along with a cameraman from Channel 9 were onboard as well and were doing filming. Not sure if it was filming for Getaway or 9 News. I tried to stay out of the camera shots, but may have ended up on some of the footage. Several people were interviewed - staff including the CEO, and some passengers. (Note the people interviewed seemed to be attention seekers who went up to Natalie to say hello, and all filming was concluded within an hour or so of take-off). Will be an interesting news item.... Natalie and cameraman weren't in Business, which I found surprising - they were in S-t-r-e-t-c-h seats.

The entertainment system onboard uses iPads and you can hire them for $S22. Due to a supply issue, I believe they had less than 50 onboard (should have over 100), and the process for hiring them didn't seem organised.

I found staff to be very disorganised overall. For a LCC, they really need to improve things.

Eventually meal service started. And it was glacier slow. I was ~10 rows from the front of my cabin, and it took over 90 minutes for staff to complete the ~10 rows in my cabin infront of me. Yes, that's with two trolleys (blocking both aisles completely). At times there were 8 or more staff handling the food service in my cabin alone. Very poor, and needs to be improved.

If you pre-book food, then you get a choice of mains. On my flight, the choice was a chicken dish or a beef dish (I think there was veg option too). Note that these were not in the menu onboard, and many customers were confused. As well as that, you were offered a soft drink/juice/water etc.

The menu is very similar (and identical in many ways) to the Jetstar Asia menu. Same deal with the duty free catalog. Looks like they share the same caterer/ duty free supplier.

Here are some shots of the menu. Mains are $S10, drinks around $S4, alcohol $S6-10.

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Australian $ were accepted ($S1 was $A0.90 from memory), but even though notes were the only form supposedly accepted, I saw many Australian coins being used. Credit cards could be used for >$S10 purchases. There was a lot of mucking about regarding money at the beginning - seems the large number of Australians handing over $10 / $50 notes fresh from Travelex caused some change issues.
 
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So finally the crew (IIRC, Scoot call them Scooties) get to me, and I order.

Here's what I ordered from the menu:

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(Plus a Tiger beer). Total $S16.

It arrives. It is physically half the size of a normal economy meal portion on other airlines. And, as the photo will show ... Looked nothing like the picture.

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Now for the best bit. It was stone cold. The FAs had faffed around so much that it had gone completely cold by the time it arrived.. Yes, Scoot - Taking food out of an oven and putting it in a trolley doesn't keep it warm. Especially when it takes over 90 minutes to serve it to a customer.

The meal wasn't worth $S1. I wouldn't have fed it to a dog. It consisted of 4 quail eggs, some alleged chicken, and lots of rice. At least the Tiger beer couldn't really be stuffed up (and was still chilled).

Didn't bother speaking to the FAs about the cold meal. I don't know what the response would have been, but doubt it would have been good.

All food is double catered out of SIN.

Journey continued. Staff again showed their lack of experience. They just wandered aimlessly up and down the aisle every now and again. Tried to attract the attention of one of the staff a few times, but they kept walking. For a LCC that wants to sell items to customers, they really don't know how to do it. FAs should be pushing the trolley down the aisle at least once an hour.

Another thing I noticed, which I hate when airlines do it, is that many staff did reverse walks (ie started at the back of the cabin and moved forward) when collecting rubbish, handing out immigration cards etc. This is poor form because by the time you see the staff member, they have already passed you.

The flight completely ran out of beer. Not sure at what stage. Went to the toilet once on the flight, and there was no toilet paper in there.

There was a trivia competition held, with the prizes being $S100 vouchers and a bag of Scoot stuff. Plane was divided into sections, and one question per section. Pretty basic stuff like website address, what fare types are available, which plane do they use etc. Although I was quick off the mark to put my hand up for my section's question - wasn't quick enough :(

A trolley run was done around 90 mins to landing. Ipads were collected about 60 mins before landing, and the FAs had problems matching driver licences to people (again poorly thought out idea). (BTW, D/Ls are used for security for the ipads).

Pilot came on again about 30 mins to landing, and told everyone how he had got us to SIN safely... Umm, no - we're still 30 mins out! Landing was very smooth. Didn't feel the plane touch down, until braking occurred. Very good landing. Lead FA gets on the PA and starts running through the arrival information, and then uses one of their tag lines "Now, get outta here". Everyone cringed.


Now, for some other points:

- I mentioned earlier about the skinny seat pockets. These make it very hard to store an ipad/small netbook etc, as there isn't really room to slide it in.
- If your seat buddy infront of you reclines ... well, enjoy the experience. Always the way with all economy seats, but found this particularly bad.
- My seat light didn't work. I think all of them have been disabled. My FA call button also didn't work, and I don't recall ever hearing a "ping" during the flight, so assume all were disabled.
- There are still entertainment boxes under some seats. No idea what they are there for.

Overall:

Airline is young and inexperienced. Staff need better training, and they need to resolve the service issues. They got me to SIN in one piece, relatively on-time, and for $70 .... well, I really can't complain too loudly.

Would I fly them again? Probably, but only if a fare was < $200 one way. Not worth much more IMHO, especially when paying the ancillary charges (vs full service carriers)

Are they going to make any money? I can't see how ... but I'm sure they think they can. Will they last? No idea, but the parent has some pretty deep pockets.
 
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Thanks a lot for the trip report, I am doing this leg next week so great to have a review. Sounds like a lot of first flight confusion, used more as a training run for FAs. I think I will BYO food, water, books and noise cancelling headphones and just block it all out. Which is of course the opposite of what Scoot need to make revenue. Seems odd to disable call buttons on a LCC; as most calls will result in a sale.
Obviously will need to make some adjustments to the catering stock to accommodate ex-OOL beer purchases!
 
Interesting report on this new carrier.
Glad it was you and not me!
 
Great trip report Mal!

I think this report has just about solved my dilemma of giving Scoot a try. No 777 should ever be 10 across and those rows in economy look to be very tiny. There does not appear to be any room left to recline into. Very claustrophobic and would rather spend ~AUD400 to get to SIN on a full service carrier.
 
Nice report - no photos of the yuck yellow seats, or blankets!

I would have complained about the meal - if only for the spectacle - or at least taken it personally up the CEO and asked "What is this cold cough!"
Per other thread, canned my first flight and am seeing if I get taxes back.

Also thought it was poor form that the price is clearly in AUD$, so put it on my EDR WOW card rather than 28 Degrees card, yet got hit with the overseas transaction fee.
 
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Great report Mal.

Who did you fly on the way home (by contrast)? Would be interesting to compare service vs price.
 
Jq Asia to hkg. A lot more polished but smaller aircraft.

Then qf j back to oz. So no comparison...

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<frantically dialling to book S-T-R-E-T-C-H seats for future flight>
 
Thanks for the detailed TR Mal..

I was booked on that maiden flight as well.. Somehow didn't manage to be enlightened by Scoot at the time.. A lot of the crew issues should have been resolved pre flight.. If training was sufficient?? The seat space issue is a major concern..
The big question is... Will Scoot make money/be sustainable for this long haul sector?? Time will tell..
 
Hello FFers,

First time poster. I have booked to go to SIN in November, $AUD99 SYD-SIN, plus $4 for aisle seat (32C) no baggage, then $SGD152 ($AUD$119) coming back FlyBagEat and again chose 32C.

Is it worth the extra $20 each way for a Super Seat? Thinking one with a bulk head in front so no one can recline into my face.

Also planning on trying other LCC (Air Asia, Tiger Singapore and/or Jetstar Asia) for a little bit of time in KL/HKG/Macau.
 
Is it worth the extra $20 each way for a Super Seat? Thinking one with a bulk head in front so no one can recline into my face.

Welcome.

Super Seats can still be reclined into - but the pitch is bigger, so it's not as much (if at all) of an issue.
S-T-R-E-T-C-H seats are the front ones (no-one can recline into the seat), but they are > $70 each way.

Prices are here: http://www.flyscoot.com/index.php/en/booking-from-australia under the seating section.
 
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It's amazing to me that $70 each way for the best type of seats would be seen as "a lot" (or at least that's what's implied) when the fare is only $100 in the first place :)
 
I'll do a TR on my Scoot flight for later tonight SIN/OOL.. TBH.. Scoot biz - or what ever that means in new gen marketing speak.. ! So I plan to give you all a self funded, unbiased opinion of this fandangeled product & its.. 2012 in your face.. Pitch low price & 'suck the suckers in" marketing ploy.. Roll up & Stand by.. for the ride.. $50++++++++..
I won't charge you for the complimentary review..just a small or large token/dollar donation for my existing/& next Raffles bar account.. :mrgreen:
 
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