The rise of the Bogan traveller

[Blackadder]

Budget airfares blamed for luring bogan travellers, rise in bad behaviour | News.com.au

 

[notzac]

Jodie Bache-McLean's tips on airport etiquette

• Dress comfortably but well, as you might for a restaurant. Take some pride in your presentation
• Remember personal hygiene because you're in an enclosed space in close proximity to other people
• Avoid drinking to excess before or during the flight. Airlines can refuse travel to intoxicated persons, and being refused service on board the flight may cause offence
• Consider those behind you before you push your seat back. For instance, are they eating?
• Use the help button if you need assistance from flight attendants. Don't whistle or shout
• Remember your manners and be courteous

It disturbs me deeply that this actually needs to be written out. Is it really so hard? *facepalm*

 

[markis10]

I remember when JQ started to fly to HTI, they had an issue with many customers who grabbed the specials hopping off the plane and looking for a caravan park to pitch their tents!

 

[Blackadder]

It disturbs me deeply that this actually needs to be written out. Is it really so hard? *facepalm*

Sadly today common sense, is not so common (not just among Bogans either)

 

[Nigelinoz]

Avoid drinking to excess before or during the flight. Airlines can refuse travel to intoxicated persons, and being refused service on board the flight may cause offence

Applies just as much in J on QF as it does on JQ,possibly more so.
Cheers
N'oz

 

[Taezar]

I flew with one of my team to Sydney in May and she had never flown a non-LCC.
LCC's have opened the skies.
I think it is unfair to expect people who have never flown or very rarely flown to know how their actions may impact on another person if they don't understand the big picture. It is akin to knowing that if you go to work, you don't go home at lunch time. We know it, it makes perfect sense, but if someone has never worked and not been around people who work, how would they know? So while we scoff at such articles, they are necessary - though I am not sure if anyone who needs to learn this would be reading it. Some people's knowledge of air travel comes from tv/movies and friends anecdoatal experiences. Be a little more patient y'all.
Yeah yeah - bleeding heart here (who has never flown Tiger and only once on JQ).
Taez

 

[harvyk]

It's not so much that LCC's have opened the skys to bogan's, it that some bogans have brought their inconsiderate nature with them... Not saying that inconsiderate nature is exclusive to bogans, just saying that the inconsiderate bogans are certainly very visible...

I also think that LCC's have to manage their customers expectations better... The people who fly them need to understand they have paid for a seat and only a seat... All the other perks which they see in movies are not free on LCC's...

As for the dress standard aspects, I wear what is comfy, I don't see why a bogan can't do the same (pub rules, what ever your local will accept after 7:00pm should be the guidelines)...

 

[notzac]

I think it is unfair to expect people who have never flown or very rarely flown to know how their actions may impact on another person if they don't understand the big picture.

Personally, I take a different view -- flying (on any carrier) is like any other interaction with a large number of people in a confined space. Dress in a manner that is unlikely to offend, preferably wear closed-toe shoes (I'm not trying to be a fashion naz_; this is actually more of a safety concern than anything else), wash yourself and wear deoderant, don't demonstrate anti-social behaviour or make an cough of yourself and finally -- find some manners. How different is that from any other situation?

BTW, I don't buy the anti-bogan stuff (even if it's easy and mostly accurate) -- money and education doesn't buy you class.

 

[Ewing]

Applies just as much in J on QF as it does on JQ,possibly more so.
Cheers
N'oz

I didn't consider myself a bogan on a 2hr flight when I was the only person in the J cabin and happily polished off at least one, maybe two bottles of wine.

The FA had no issues supplying me with a continuous (and unprompted) stream of top-ups either, once I explained that I had no intention of driving once I left the aircraft

 

[Noob]

How can you make a connection between people with no manners/bogans and what they can afford? I think that's just plain arrogant. I have seen plenty of business class passengers on premium airlines act worse than Y class passengers on a LCC.

If one feels the need to poke fun at such a thing upon their illusive pedestal I think their insecurities are all the more evident.

 

[Taezar]

Personally, I take a different view -- flying (on any carrier) is like any other interaction with a large number of people in a confined space. Dress in a manner that is unlikely to offend, preferably wear closed-toe shoes (I'm not trying to be a fashion naz_; this is actually more of a safety concern than anything else), wash yourself and wear deoderant, don't demonstrate anti-social behaviour or make an cough of yourself and finally -- find some manners. How different is that from any other situation?

BTW, I don't buy the anti-bogan stuff (even if it's easy and mostly accurate) -- money and education doesn't buy you class.

Maybe it is just the work that I do - but:
Offensive to you may not be offensive to them and their social group.
The only closed in shoes they own may be work boots.
Some people demonstrate what we consider to be anti-social behaviour as the norm - there may be underlying reasons why.
The same goes with manners. If you weren't brought up with them, how would you know?

I am not saying that I don't get briefly frustrated with people who behave like this even in the Mall, let alone on a plane - but you can't judge. I am far from perfect and since I don't want to be bothered by these things, I don't fly LCC's.

Taez

 

[Nigelinoz]

I am not saying that I don't get briefly frustrated with people who behave like this even in the Mall, let alone on a plane - but you can't judge. I am far from perfect and since I don't want to be bothered by these things, I don't fly LCC's.

I accept the points you are making Taezar but I have to ask why you added the "

since I don't want to be bothered by these things, I don't fly LCC's

line,I have travelled on premium airlines and LCC's and have seen bad behaviour on both.in fact amongst the worst behaviour I have seen
has been in J class on QF,admittedly it's been awhile since I have flown in QF J but some of the stories I could tell you about what has happened to me
in the past would curl your hair.
Yes there may be some truth to the idea that rise of low cost carriers means that there are more "bogans" flying but bad behaviour on airlines has existed
for a long time.
Cheers
N'oz

 

[burrco]

. . . It is akin to knowing that if you go to work, you don't go home at lunch time. We know it, it makes perfect sense, but if someone has never worked and not been around people who work, how would they know? . . .

I often pop home for lunch .

Some people know how to conduct themselves in a polite and courteous manner - some people don't. I don't really think it has anything to do with being a "bogan", level of education, wealth or any other factor except upbringing.

It may be because I only fly domestically with Qantas (and not to Perth!) - but most of the people I see making a tit of themselves aren't bogans.

 

[Taezar]

I often pop home for lunch .

.

You come back though right?

I know my foibles, Nigel. I try and be a good person, but am far from it.

 

[Nigelinoz]

You come back though right?

I know my foibles, Nigel. I try and be a good person, but am far from it.

Sorry Taezar,I'm having trouble understanding you,when I met you at the drinks night in Brisbane
recently I found you to be an absolutely lovely person with a good heart,if you mean you aren't perfect
then I can relate to that,I don't think any of us is perfect but I try and find good in everyone,some people
are not what I would class as "good" but I have been fortunate in my life to have met mostly very nice,kind hearted,good people.
But I still am struggling with how good vs bad people relates to the discussion about how LCC's mean that more bogans are travelling.
I'm probably being very thick here but the point I was trying to make was to understand why you think that because you don't travel on
LCC's that you wouldn't come into contact with bad behaviour.
Cheers
N'oz

 

[PineappleSkip]

some of the stories I could tell you about what has happened to me in the past would curl your hair.

Do tell! Cheers skip

 

[NYCguy]

I try and [sic] be a good person, but am far from it.

I gave up projecting that image long-ago. Why try to force yourself to be something you're not?

Being evil is much, much more satisfying.

 

[medhead]

I gave up projecting that image long-ago Why try to force yourself to be something you're not?

Being evil is much, much more satisfying.

Indeed. In fact, SWMBO told me only yesterday that I'm predominately evil.

 

[JohnK]

Unfortunately though we associate bogan with budget and this cannot be further from the truth. There is a huge difference between budget travellers and bogan travellers.

I have encountered a few bogan travellers in my travels and I will do the utmost to avoid them as much as possible.

It is akin to knowing that if you go to work, you don't go home at lunch time. We know it, it makes perfect sense, but if someone has never worked and not been around people who work, how would they know?

Why is it wrong to go home for lunch?

It disturbs me deeply that this actually needs to be written out. Is it really so hard? *facepalm*

Society contradicts these simple guidelines by telling people it is Ok to be themselves and do what they want.

 

[Moopere]

The same goes with manners. If you weren't brought up with them, how would you know?

and since I don't want to be bothered by these things, I don't fly LCC's.

Yes. very sensible. I subscribe fully. I'm not by nature judgmental but I know what I like and won't frequent places/situations that are likely to offend my sensibilities. Rather than howl at the moon about this stuff I try to channel myself and my spend into experiences that have a greater chance of bringing pleasure rather than discomfort.