Apples here there and everywhere

[notzac]

At least Windows uses and maintains certain standards which are not present in Apple products.

Microsoft is hardly the shining example of standards compliance ... what are these standards they maintain, exactly?

Those (not all) in IT tend to prefer windoze as they can do more; the OS's are not as tied up as Mac's are.

I have to say that I disagree entirely with the last part of that statement; Windows installations tend to be much more locked down in a corporate SOE than Mac OSX installations tend to be (though that's probably more a reflection of the knowledge and ability of the folk setting up the SOE than it is anything else...)

I'll avoid saying anything else on the subject, lest I come off as some sort of Apple sadcase..

Of course, that's not lounge related; other than my USB key with FF and short cuts.

Small side note; you can get a version of Firefox for OS X that runs on a flash drive (the website for it appears to be down right at the moment, but Google knows where it is). Given the machines can dual-boot though, it's probably not worth the effort of changing everything over for you.

Personally, I'm still really leery about using any public access computer -- especially when it comes to logging in to anything. You just don't know what's running on that computer .. :-|

 

[tuppaware]

I have to say that I disagree entirely with the last part of that statement; Windows installations tend to be much more locked down in a corporate SOE than Mac OSX installations tend to be (though that's probably more a reflection of the knowledge and ability of the folk setting up the SOE than it is anything else...)

I agree, Win SOE (or MOE depending on your flavour) are locked down because one rogue win box could spread nasties across a whole network, where a rogue mac is only going to cause issues to a local printer at worst.

Needless to say, support and materials for running a win SOE in an enterprise environment is quite common, running a Mac SOE in an Windows-centric enterprise environment is a lot more challenging.

 

[JohnK]

It is just the "oh woe is me - I wont use those horrible apple computer in the lounge" without a because...

I did not say I will not use "those horrible apple computer in the lounge".

For non frequent Apple users like myself the look and feel of Apple keyboards, operating system, desktop and Safari is very different to let's say "conventional" Microsoft products.

By the way I do not rave on about Windows or Microsoft but to me Apple is something foreign and not very user friendly. Personally I also hate Office 2007 and I prefer to use Office 97 as it is much more user friendly and much easier will to use with all the necessary buttons at my fingertips. Actually I prefer Quattro Pro to Excel and WordPerfect to Word but have an old version and I lose the ability to view on different machines.

Not that it means much but I have been in IT for 25+ years and I have seen a lot of changes in that time. And not all of them for the better. Just because someone upgrades software/hardware does not mean it is better than the previous version....

 

[oz_mark]

Not that it means much but I have been in IT for 25+ years and I have seen a lot of changes in that time. And not all of them for the better. Just because someone upgrades software/hardware does not mean it is better than the previous version....

An interesting observation about IT folk, is that while they act as change agents in an organisation, they are some of the most resistant to change people in the organisation :shock:

 

[markis10]

Actually I prefer Quattro Pro to Excel and WordPerfect to Word but have an old version and I lose the ability to view on different machines.

I prefer Visicalc running on DOS 2.1

 

[Simsy85]

hahah seems i've resparked a war...

I'm with JohnK, as a microsoft user, I found it difficult to work with, I couldnt cut and paste a document, with ease, like I can with Microsoft.

The other thing was, I didn't know how to 100% be sure that the internet cache had been cleared, as the documents i needed to urgently view were extreamly confidential.

That being said, the Macs in the CL did have the option, at the touch of a button, to boot up in Microsoft, I was just too busy to realise it.

Interestingly, I do have an Ipad, but it wasn't able to unzip the documents....

Cheers

Simsy

 

[serfty]

I have to say that I disagree entirely with the last part of that statement; Windows installations tend to be much more locked down in a corporate SOE than Mac OSX installations tend to be (though that's probably more a reflection of the knowledge and ability of the folk setting up the SOE than it is anything else...)

... The ability to 'lock down' exactly demonstrates my point, more can be done by those with the nouse on windowze, OSX is comparatively restrictive out of the box and less fun. Of course, again, that's not lounge PC related.

Small side note; you can get a version of Firefox for OS X that runs on a flash drive ...

I've tried it and prefer my full setup. This executes a batch file copying standalone Software and Profile folders to a TEMP folder on the hard drive and runs FF from there). Executing another batch file clears it when I am finished.

 

[samh004]

Interestingly, I do have an Ipad, but it wasn't able to unzip the documents….

I guess you’d need an unzipping app and a place to then store the contents of what has been unzipped, which I’m not sure is allowed on an iPad at this stage.

 

[TonyHancock]

I'm with JohnK, as a microsoft user, I found it difficult to work with, I couldnt cut and paste a document, with ease, like I can with Microsoft.

:shock:

Command X, Command V. Those cunning folk at Apple made it a different button!

If you want to copy it is Command C.

(I have assumed the relevant part has been selected.)

 

[samh004]

:shock:

Command X, Command V. Those cunning folk at Apple made it a different button!

If you want to copy it is Command C.

(I have assumed the relevant part has been selected.)

Incase you don’t know what the Command key is, it generally has either ⌘ or  on it.

 

[tuppaware]

Incase you don’t know what the Command key is, it generally has either ⌘ or  on it.

Anyone on a pc wont see ⌘ or  ... its a mac font..

Better to look at the wiki doco .. haha
Command key - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[medhead]

I'm with JohnK, as a microsoft user, I found it difficult to work with, I couldnt cut and paste a document, with ease, like I can with Microsoft.

:shock:
Command X, Command V. Those cunning folk at Apple made it a different button!

If you want to copy it is Command C.

(I have assumed the relevant part has been selected.)

Incase you don’t know what the Command key is, it generally has either ⌘ or  on it.

Anyone on a pc wont see ⌘ or  ... its a mac font..

Better to look at the wiki doco .. haha
Command key - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Failing all that there is always the "Edit" menu. Just like windows edit menu seems to also have Copy, Cut and Paste options.
At least that 's what I did until I worked out the whole command button thing.

 

[serfty]

I'm a [CTRL]/[SHIFT]+[INS] guy myself.

... & I have utilised the Lisa keyboard in the dimmish darkish past ...

 

[tuppaware]

I'm a [CTRL]/[SHIFT]+[INS] guy myself.

... & I have utilised the Lisa keyboard in the dimmish darkish past ...

Before steve was fired then rehired again.

 

[TonyHancock]

I am way to shallow and one dimensional to like art and nice things.......however I do like the Apple Wireless Keyboard. It looks fabulous on my desk. (Marc Newson please note: this is a thing of beauty and it is functional! ....yes I know I am a bit of a saddo.)



(Please note the command key either side of the space bar.)

 

[samh004]

Marc Newson please note: this is a thing of beauty and it is functional!

Perhaps Qantas should offer Jonathan Ive more money than he makes at Apple!

Though he might like to design the whole plane, not just the seats.

 

[medhead]

I'm a [CTRL]/[SHIFT]+[INS] guy myself.
...

Sure, me and all. But if you can't work out how to do that. You can always revert to old school menu options.

 

[JohnK]

Was apple trying to save money when they designed this keyboard?

I have lost count of how many times I have used the delete key in the last 30 or so minutes.

Oh well I guess if I spend enough time in the QF Lounges I will get used to the keyboard eventually....

 

[samh004]

Was apple trying to save money when they designed this keyboard?

I have lost count of how many times I have used the delete key in the last 30 or so minutes.

Oh well I guess if I spend enough time in the QF Lounges I will get used to the keyboard eventually....

Generally they try to make everything the thinnest it can be… and I type quite fast on it, but I’ve had it for 3+ years now

 

[Joshua]

I'll stick out of the debate having grown up with both (and many other OS'es long fallen) but its obvious that those who have lived on the Windows side will need some time to adjust, no different to getting exotic rental car

What I can say is in the very recent days, all the old PC's got removed from the ADL QP and have been replaced with the dual booting iMacs. We have a lot of computers relative to other QP's and I must say this was the first time I had ever seen the workstation area so busy. Much busier than the rest of the lounge.

Dual booting makes it a non-issue. Aesthetics it's a win for QF, business wise a good win for Apple.

Food in ADL was the same, nothing else had changed... yet. Which QF lounges still have to upgrade their computing suites?