Qantas Project Sunrise & A350-1000ULR Discussion

[leesionn]

I think I read somewhere that they'll be running them on SYD-SIN and SYD-LAX at first so they can stretch their legs.

Makes sense for crew familiarisation ahead of the ULH services

 

[arrow]

I think I read somewhere that they'll be running them on SYD-SIN and SYD-LAX at first so they can stretch their legs.

Makes sense for crew familiarisation ahead of the ULH services

My understanding was it would only go on the AU - NZ routes, but that would be great if they flew to SIN & LAX

 

[DC3]

… Did someone internally copy pasta …

 

[DC3]

I think I read somewhere that they'll be running them on SYD-SIN and SYD-LAX at first so they can stretch their legs.

Good idea to move about a bit on long-haul

 

[flydoc2]

By design, the A351 is the “LR” variant. The “ULR” nomenclature is not an official Airbus variant. Currently, it’s unique to the QF aircraft, so not unreasonable to try and differentiate the two models.

I'm confused here. Did someone internally copy pasta from their old operating MO or is there something we're missing here?

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media-releases/the-qantas-group-and-melbourne-airport-to-unlock-more-flights-airport-expansion

From this months Qantas magazine, p20

From the CEO
‘We plan to base some of our new A350-1000ULRs (my bolding) in Melbourne which will let us fly to international destinations we can’t reach from there today. Qantas and Jetstar currently serve 17 international destinations out of Melbourne and that number is expected to grow’

So LR in the July press release, now ULR.
What exactly is planned?!

 

[LionKing]

Qantas announces when Sydney-New York non-stop flights will start

Qantas said the direct flight will begin in mid-2028 and would shave three hours off the typical journey from Sydney to New York.

www.smh.com.au

SYD-JFK launching Mid-2028.

 

[markis10]

Non paywalled source

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media-releases/australia-to-new-york-non-stop-qantas-project-sunrise

 

[transpactraveller]

Interesting snippet about profitability from https://www.ft.com/content/276f5264-c3e1-418b-8acc-cd3d4f1ed31b

Qantas has said its nonstop, ultra-long flights will boost profits for the Australian airline by about A$400mn (US$285mn), even with persistently higher jet fuel prices caused by the Iran war.

Chief executive Vanessa Hudson told the FT, “We’ve retested that business case and I think that some of the things that continue to make us confident about that number are that the demand for non-stop services continues to be incredibly strong.”

Translation: we're confident enough people will pay the high fares we intend to charge for these flights?

 

[mjt57]

Non paywalled source

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media-releases/australia-to-new-york-non-stop-qantas-project-sunrise

Thanks for that link.

We mostly travel to NY (where my wife's family is). LA is generally a 2 day stopover for us, to rest and do a bit of touristy stuff, then the 5hr flight LAX-JFK because even after we get there there's a 2.5hr drive out to where we stay.

I cannot fathom us doing it non-stop, not unless we could afford business.

With the PER-LHR trips I wonder what the cabin smells like on arrival.

 

[SYD]

Thanks for that link.

We mostly travel to NY (where my wife's family is). LA is generally a 2 day stopover for us, to rest and do a bit of touristy stuff, then the 5hr flight LAX-JFK because even after we get there there's a 2.5hr drive out to where we stay.

I cannot fathom us doing it non-stop, not unless we could afford business.

I was kind of hoping that JFK would happen before LHR since we’re planning a trip on QF3 J this time next year. It would have been good to get bumped to the non-stop!

With the PER-LHR trips I wonder what the cabin smells like on arrival.

Hopefully no beans, lentils nor asparagus in the catering!

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Thanks for that link.

We mostly travel to NY (where my wife's family is). LA is generally a 2 day stopover for us, to rest and do a bit of touristy stuff, then the 5hr flight LAX-JFK because even after we get there there's a 2.5hr drive out to where we stay.

I cannot fathom us doing it non-stop, not unless we could afford business.

With the PER-LHR trips I wonder what the cabin smells like on arrival.

Well, yes… but the thing is, perhaps, that by the time you muck around with decent and landing, taxing, working way to immigration, customs, then your transit hotel…. just another 2-3 hours you’d be touching down in New York!

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Translation: we're confident enough people will pay the high fares we intend to charge for these flights?

Same fares they’re charging now for the non-stops. So there’s not gonna be a massive increase. If they can fill enough for the PER-LHR/CDG/FCO then they mush be ok with JFK/LHR

 

[TMP]

My favourite type of Qantas announcement!

"Something shiny in the hazy distance will happen, and we will take every opportunity to roll out another announcement about it every few months!"

 

[Layslow]

Thanks for that link.

We mostly travel to NY (where my wife's family is). LA is generally a 2 day stopover for us, to rest and do a bit of touristy stuff, then the 5hr flight LAX-JFK because even after we get there there's a 2.5hr drive out to where we stay.

I cannot fathom us doing it non-stop, not unless we could afford business.

With the PER-LHR trips I wonder what the cabin smells like on arrival.

Fingers crossed they can get the Wifi going by that stage Qantas do love to make plenty of promises don't they - a pity they fail on the delivery (Sydney Int Business Lounge, London First Lounge & Aircraft boarding, Wifi...etc)

 

[mjt57]

I was kind of hoping that JFK would happen before LHR since we’re planning a trip on QF3 J this time next year. It would have been good to get bumped to the non-stop!

Hopefully no beans, lentils nor asparagus in the catering!

I was thinking more along the lines of a lack of showers on board...

 

[SYD]

I was thinking more along the lines of a lack of showers on board...

No difference for the thousands who connect today without showering and could be travelling even longer!

I’m halfway through 2 of 3 J flights from Europe to SYD. If I’m lucky, I might get a shower in during the next layover - but possibly not. It’ll be 30+ hours otherwise.

 

[mjt57]

Well, yes… but the thing is, perhaps, that by the time you muck around with decent and landing, taxing, working way to immigration, customs, then your transit hotel…. just another 2-3 hours you’d be touching down in New York!

For us, from door to door (our place to the daughter's place) it's just on 24hrs when we transit at LAX if we don't stay overnight at MEL, hence why the last 3 times we did the 2 day stopover in LA as we were so tired and sore.

But with this service we still have to get to Sydney and go through all the hoops from security at MEL, to the same at SYD going over to the international terminal from the domestic one.

The last trip that my wife did to NY was with Cathay, MEL via HKG and then to NY. But that trip wasn't without its hassles as her luggage was not loaded onto the outbound leg (it arrived by courier at the daughter's the next day). Still a 24hr trip, though.

 

[Aussie_flyer]

My favourite type of Qantas announcement!

"Something shiny in the hazy distance will happen, and we will take every opportunity to roll out another announcement about it every few months!"

Strange comment. What are you expecting? No announcement ?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

For us, from door to door (our place to the daughter's place) it's just on 24hrs when we transit at LAX if we don't stay overnight at MEL, hence why the last 3 times we did the 2 day stopover in LA as we were so tired and sore.

But with this service we still have to get to Sydney and go through all the hoops from security at MEL, to the same at SYD going over to the international terminal from the domestic one.

The last trip that my wife did to NY was with Cathay, MEL via HKG and then to NY. But that trip wasn't without its hassles as her luggage was not loaded onto the outbound leg (it arrived by courier at the daughter's the next day). Still a 24hr trip, though.

the transit in sydney complicates things. And you’d arrive in NY too tired to drive

LAX is fairly easy to get to a nearby hotel.

Just the thought of TSA security though…

 

[Layslow]

Strange comment. What are you expecting? No announcement ?

Its another 9 months before any tickets go on sale (and that is for the following year!!!) and lets face it QF have form when it comes to making announcements and then not delivering...

 

[elanshin]

Fingers crossed they can get the Wifi going by that stage Qantas do love to make plenty of promises don't they - a pity they fail on the delivery (Sydney Int Business Lounge, London First Lounge & Aircraft boarding, Wifi...etc)

Wifi is going already on everything except the a380. Those are being installed as we speak.

The satellite themselves have just switched over to viasat 3 (or are about to). Its not quite starlink, but it's streaming capable. Possibly better than the average home broadband.

Its another 9 months before any tickets go on sale (and that is for the following year!!!) and lets face it QF have form when it comes to making announcements and then not delivering...

At this point though, this announcement will be on the back of airbus delivery schedule.

I'm guessing frame #4 or #5 for them to do the route. If there's delays it'll be on Airbus' side. We already know frame #3 exists in production and I suspect 1-3 will all be delivered before QF1/2 to LHR gets rolling.

Also possible Airbus makes frame #4 and #5 close proximity to each other so QF can launch the route when the frames come in.