Middle East Airspace Diversions/Cancellations

[Himeno]

Screens at NRT last night listed QR as cancelled and an EK A380 parked outside. Saw 2 EK A380s parked at MEL (but that's normal for that time of day anyway) and a QR 777 parked at CBR.

 

[Berlin]

Yea- lots of action in and out of DXB now which is pleasing to see. Oddly though, far less out of Abu Dhabi and Doha is still completely dead.

Can the risk really be THAT different between those super close locations? Or is it rather different risk appetite that EK is willing to show here?

 

[RooFlyer]

They are safe in Dubai with DIL’s parents and report decreased missile activity yesterday.

Forgive the attempt at levity @Seat0B , but when I read that I thought "Yes, a parent will always like to hear that there is 'decreased missile activity' where the kids are."

 

[Seat0B]

There’s a lot of people in this part of the world… but we’re not all leaving! The backlog is largely travellers stuck midway. Still a lot, no doubt, but there aren’t tens of thousands of Australians trying to leave the gulf.

Interesting that EK/EY seem to be pushing ahead very hard with additional services. They are geographically in better positions than DOH/BAH, but there’s been a lot of activity in the UAE today.

Yes Seat Son is a long term resident of the UAE -5 years in Dubai and now 3 years in Abu Dhabi. He only wants to leave to go to his wedding in South Africa and will then be straight back “home” to the UAE.

 

[fletty]

Any ideas on how EK would have decided who to put on EK414? Pax bound for Australia by status?

 

[Bundy Bear]

Any ideas on how EK would have decided who to put on EK414? Pax bound for Australia by status?

Likely anyone who had a booking and was in Dubai at the time

 

[mbe1510]

Any ideas on how EK would have decided who to put on EK414? Pax bound for Australia by status?

I think it was mentioned previously that Emirates was prioritising passengers stuck in transit and had been there the longest.

Suspect elderly, children and health also play a role in deciding.

 

[fletty]

Suspect elderly, children and health also play a role in deciding.

I don't know anyone affected personally - but I was just curious and hoping this was the case.

 

[Seat0B]

Forgive the attempt at levity @Seat0B , but when I read that I thought "Yes, a parent will always like to hear that there is 'decreased missile activity' where the kids are."

You are so right @RooFlyer.

It’s not a sentence I ever thought I would be using!

 

[VPS]

Friends flying QF9 on Saturday and have been advised they will be stopping in Singapore to refuel. Will they need to disembark and go through security to reboard

I presume they can leave everything on the plane if they need to disembark

 

[LionKing]

Friends flying QF9 on Saturday and have been advised they will be stopping in Singapore to refuel. Will they need to disembark and go through security to reboard

I presume they can leave everything on the plane if they need to disembark

If they need to disembark, you need to take everything from the plane and clear security again I presume.

 

[VPS]

If they need to disembark, you need to take everything from the plane and clear security again I presume.

but my question is will they need to disembark

@Daver6 did you wife go via SIN and what was her experience

 

[ellen10]

but my question is will they need to disembark

@Daver6 did you wife go via SIN and what was her experience

I think you have to disembark when the plane is refuelling. We had to in KL flying home on Turkish airlines.

 

[Berlin]

I must say- Emirates is pretty busy flying today. I wonder what has changed so massively from a day or two ago in terms of security of those flights. And why is Qatar seeing the situation so differently?

 

[jase05]

I must say- Emirates is pretty busy flying today. I wonder what has changed so massively from a day or two ago in terms of security of those flights. And why is Qatar seeing the situation so differently?

Who knows what their appetite for risk is.
Earlier today the US consulate in Dubai got hit be a drone and the consulate is only a couple of kilometres down the road from DXB and yet they are still flying in and out of there

 

[Daver6]

but my question is will they need to disembark

@Daver6 did you wife go via SIN and what was her experience

Her flight that left last night was direct. The last one. She got lucky!

Even with the slightly longer way around, landed in LHR 40 minutes ago which was about 25 minutes early.

 

[FlyingKangaroo]

I think you have to disembark when the plane is refuelling. We had to in KL flying home on Turkish airlines.

The difference here is that Turkish also sells seats on the IST-KUL sector separate to IST-SYD, which means everyone gets off in KUL even if you're continuing on to SYD, and even though they don't have fifth freedom rights. This situation is purely a fuel stop, which may mean pax can remain on board.

Would be curious to see how they manage this as I've seen it done differently in different parts of the world, and have wondered if it has anything to do with regulations at the refuelling point.

 

[exLXCXFF]

In 2024, passengers were required to disembark:

"All passengers on QF209 are required to leave the plane and then re-clear security screening at Singapore’s Changi Airport, where there is also a crew change. However, Qantas is not selling tickets for the standalone Perth-Singapore and Singapore-London sectors. (Both of those routes are already served by other Qantas flights – QF71 and QF1 respectively.)"

See also this historic article: Qantas Diverting Perth-London Flights via Singapore

 

[Pushka]

The difference here is that Turkish also sells seats on the IST-KUL sector separate to IST-SYD, which means everyone gets off in KUL even if you're continuing on to SYD, and even though they don't have fifth freedom rights. This situation is purely a fuel stop, which may mean pax can remain on board.

Would be curious to see how they manage this as I've seen it done differently in different parts of the world, and have wondered if it has anything to do with regulations at the refuelling point.

Given that sometimes on planes you are told not to buckle seat belts on taking your seats as the plane is refueling then it shouldn't be an issue.

 

[dajop]

but my question is will they need to disembark

@Daver6 did you wife go via SIN and what was her experience

I think it is a requirement at SIN to do so. With a 75min layover plenty of time for it. Heck if at the right gate and towards the front if the plane and a fast walker, you could probably manage 20-30 mins in the lounge, if they'd let you in