“new” QF B737-800s

[Saab34]

Keep the SQ Cabin found it quite good.

 

[moa999]

These aircraft will be based up in BNE and will be mostly doing QLD internal flights and not really scheduled to be going anywhere else. This is until the cabin refurbishment starts

Makes sense.
Assume the seats will be renumbered from SQs somewhat odd format J (rows 11-13) and Y (rows 41-65)

 

[moa999]

And after 11 years, welcome #76 737-800

VH-XZQ Flight Tracking and History - FlightAware

Track VH-XZQ flight from Singapore Changi to Brisbane

www.flightaware.com

 

[AIRwin]

And after 11 years, welcome #76 737-800

VH-XZQ Flight Tracking and History - FlightAware

Track VH-XZQ flight from Singapore Changi to Brisbane

www.flightaware.com

XZQ sounds like SQ

 

[Saab34]

How many CASA proving flights does it need

200? 300?

 

[AIRwin]

How many CASA proving flights does it need

200? 300?

737x

 

[BNEFlyer]

VH-XZQ (Albino Roo) has just landed in BNE.

 

[Larko1]

 

[moa999]

Wonder where and when it picked up the fresh white paint job. Surely efficiency would have it just being repainted once.

 

[Chrizztofa]

Wonder where and when it picked up the fresh white paint job. Surely efficiency would have it just being repainted once.

Might relate to the timing of the end of the SQ lease and purchase / lease by QF. If it was technically still owned by the lessor QF may not have wanted it in their livery yet, similar to how QF remove their titles / roo when they send some aircraft over to the US for scrapping.

 

[moa999]

Possibly. Think both MGK and MGL (still there) spent some time in KUL awaiting a new home, so maybe repainted before being given to lessor.

 

[BNEFlyer]

Wonder if this will head to Flying Colours at TSV shortly?

 

[moa999]

Appears XZQ may not fly for a while - from this photo it's been wrapped up for some period of storage

https://yssyforum.net/board/showpost.php?p=122852&postcount=1510

 

[AIRwin]

Appears XZQ may not fly for a while - from this photo it's been wrapped up for some period of storage

https://yssyforum.net/board/showpost.php?p=122852&postcount=1510

XZQ-tive decision?

 

[evanb]

Appears XZQ may not fly for a while - from this photo it's been wrapped up for some period of storage

https://yssyforum.net/board/showpost.php?p=122852&postcount=1510

XZQ-tive decision?

A great example of why airlines typically don't make short term fleet planning decisions like this, favouring sticking with their long term plans. Heavy maintenance schedules are mapped out well in advance, limiting ad hoc work to more pressing AOG issues.

A lot of heavy maintenance is typically scheduled September to November to maximise fleet availability for December and January, so XZQ simply has to wait its turn.

 

[Saab34]

Generally it should come onto the new lease with all engineering completed?

That’s unless they have other modifications in mind.

 

[evanb]

Generally it should come onto the new lease with all engineering completed?

That’s unless they have other modifications in mind.

Not necessarily. Depends on lease terms but also whatever work is done pre-delivery gets capitalised into the lease which can result in downstream tax or financial reporting complications. I suspect they want as little as possible capitalised into the lease.

My experience is that most larger lessees can get the work done cheaper and better quality themselves or through own suppliers. Also, even if it's delivered with all work completed there's still an extensive EIS maintenance visit to get the everything logged into QF's systems and ensure SOP and manuals aligned (this is especially coughbersome for aircraft that might have slight differences to existing fleet). If this gets rushed you tend to find very poor dispatch reliability in first few months as every dispatch ends up with a myriad of paperwork delays since line staff won't be finding things in the same place.

 

[Saab34]

Sorry I should re clarify, these have been purchased from the lessor I recall.

Thanks for the detail above.

 

[moa999]

why airlines typically don't make short term fleet planning decisions like this

Presumably the 13 ex-3K aircraft also in this category given over half are still in SIN and none are yet to commence JQ flying.

Still id expect both categories are acquired cheaply and will fill the delays in 321 deliveries over the next few years

 

[evanb]

Sorry I should re clarify, these have been purchased from the lessor I recall.

Thanks for the detail above.

I've seen it reported in different places as a lease and purchase, so who knows. We'll know soon enough, but nevertheless, the same applies that any pre-delivery work would get capitalised and thus tax and cashflow implications.

Presumably the 13 ex-3K aircraft also in this category given over half are still in SIN and none are yet to commence JQ flying.

Still id expect both categories are acquired cheaply and will fill the delays in 321 deliveries over the next few years

Some similarities, but some differences. Aircraft are already aligned with JQ, so much easier EIS. Challenge is likely dealing with a multitude of different lessors in assigning the leases back to JQ (can count at least 5), so multiple transactions to cover. And then on a technical side, it's just a lot more inspections that need to be conducted prior to registration on the Australian register. But yes, a lot of bureaucratic work and not just 3x more, but given multiple lessors it might turn out to be a lot of work.