Western Sydney Airport (WSI) Discussion

[jase05]

You can never be certain that an empty piece of land will stay that way. It may take many years but it will come.

Maybe but they may aswell close WSI down now and stop wasting everyone’s time. MEL has remained and will always remain curfew free so no reason why WSI can’t. If you want to make somewhere the freight hub of Australia then a zero curfew is a non negotiable and I know we would hold the government to that promise

 

[elanshin]

You can never be certain that an empty piece of land will stay that way. It may take many years but it will come.

I think they're trying hard to stop Sydney randomly sprawling now. Its more strategic development and building up.

We actually can't afford (both financially and metaphorically) to continually build outwards until we've built upwards somewhat more.

 

[RooFlyer]

You can never be certain that an empty piece of land will stay that way. It may take many years but it will come.

that would depend on the planning scheme. I wonder if the cleaning EDIT: planning scheme currently allows new residential development close under the flight path?

 

[kookaburra75]

that would depend on the planning scheme. I wonder if the cleaning scheme currently allows new residential development close under the flight path?

The NSW Govt Development Control Plan mentions a mix of uses, including residential, but specifically calls out:
"...safeguard the 24-hour operations of the Western Sydney International (Nancy-Bird Walton) Airport (WSI)"

Western Sydney Aerotropolis Development Control Plan | Planning

The Phase 2 Development Control Plan supports the Precinct Plan by providing controls for development across the initial precincts in the Aerotropolis.

www.planning.nsw.gov.au

 

[jpp42]

that would depend on the planning scheme. I wonder if the [planning] scheme currently allows new residential development close under the flight path?

Of course not - a huge part of the whole business case for WSI is the 24-hour status and they would not be so stupid as to throw that away by allowing new residential development in the direct/loudest part of the flight paths. There are a small number of existing residents, and the NIMBY's are crowing about how badly it will affect that handful, but the fact is the airport has been planned for decades and these residents will also get money for things like double-glazing. Appropriate use of the direct flight path land is also critical to the planning of new commercial and industrial development in the area, such as Western Sydney Aerotropolis and the new community of Bradfield. Mostly the land directly under the flight paths at low altitude will be used for industrial/logistics which is perhaps the most compatible land use, with some preserved as open space.

 

[wandering_fred]

they would not be so stupid as to throw that away

Why would I suspect that this statement is overly optimistic when referring to government decisions.
Suspicions not based on excessive wandering
Fred

 

[Beano]

Of course not - a huge part of the whole business case for WSI is the 24-hour status and they would not be so stupid as to throw that away by allowing new residential development in the direct/loudest part of the flight paths. There are a small number of existing residents, and the NIMBY's are crowing about how badly it will affect that handful, but the fact is the airport has been planned for decades and these residents will also get money for things like double-glazing. Appropriate use of the direct flight path land is also critical to the planning of new commercial and industrial development in the area, such as Western Sydney Aerotropolis and the new community of Bradfield. Mostly the land directly under the flight paths at low altitude will be used for industrial/logistics which is perhaps the most compatible land use, with some preserved as open space.

I stayed at a hotel at the end of a 24/7 airport runway. It had triple glazing and it worked. Double glazing only muffles slightly and depends on the type. But good to see they planned ahead. I retract my statements!

 

[Melburnian1]

Like AVV, Western Sydney Airport will have a distinct three letter code that's dissimilar to the capital city airport.

Many travellers are informed and would never make this mistake, but is it going to be a problem for the great unwashed (and even some foreign travel agents) that if (say) SQ has one flight a day from SIN to the new airport, some travellers end up being booked to the 'wrong' airport?

Does this already occur with JQd flights to/from Avalon?

 

[Beano]

Just how many PAX flights are there to and from AVV? I can only see about 14 to 20. Is this what to expect at WSI?

 

[jase05]

Just how many PAX flights are there to and from AVV? I can only see about 14 to 20. Is this what to expect at WSI?

No,.
You are comparing apples and oranges.
WSI will be seeing more passengers than ADL within 10 years

 

[moa999]

In any event there are many cities these days that have multiple airports.. and pax and travel agents mostly realise this.

 

[dajop]

but is it going to be a problem for the great unwashed (and even some foreign travel agents) that if (say) SQ has one flight a day from SIN to the new airport, some travellers end up being booked to the 'wrong' airport?

Less of a problem ending up in WSI than in Sydney, NS. (YQY)

 

[Beano]

No,.
You are comparing apples and oranges.
WSI will be seeing more passengers than ADL within 10 years

Probably what was said about AVV, but then WSI has more infrastructure around it.

 

[HS-TQE]

Just how many PAX flights are there to and from AVV? I can only see about 14 to 20. Is this what to expect at WSI?

JQ and QF have already announced they'll be planning to set up bases for 10x A320s and 5x QFLink jets at WSI.

WSI will gradually build from day 1 with the largest Australian airline group putting in the $ to set the JQ / QFLink bases from the get go.

 

[jase05]

Probably what was said about AVV, but then WSI has more infrastructure around it.

Avalon was never going to work.
Western Sydney will be huge and has the government backing to make it work. Major International airlines have already committed to WSI with more to come, whereas Avalon struggled to attract even LCC’s.

 

[Melburnian1]

We actually can't afford (both financially and metaphorically) to continually build outwards until we've built upwards somewhat more.

You aren't taking into account Australians' clear preference for living in a detached house, even though block sizes have dramatically decreased from the 1950s c.750 square metres to as low as 240 square metres today. This applies even if there's more travelling time to work because a couple or family live in an outer suburb.

Apartments/flats/condominiums are a second best situation for children to grow up in.

 

[Melburnian1]

Western Sydney will be huge and has the government backing to make it work.

A very poor "solution" domestically compared to high speed rail that our politicians largely seem ignorant of, despite how we have a High Speed Rail Authority that is very slowly undertaking preparatory works on the Sydney to Newcastle "corridor".

 

[serfty]

Like AVV, Western Sydney Airport will have a distinct three letter code that's dissimilar to the capital city airport.

Many travellers are informed and would never make this mistake, but is it going to be a problem for the great unwashed (and even some foreign travel agents) that if (say) SQ has one flight a day from SIN to the new airport, some travellers end up being booked to the 'wrong' airport?

Does this already occur with JQd flights to/from Avalon?

I have a friend who for two decades has kept their vow to never contemplate travelling on Jetstar again..

This after a day trip Melbourne to Sydney using Jetstar. Their return flight was cancelled and they were rebooked on another Jetstar flight to Melbourne.

It was only after arrival they realised they were at Avalon while their vehicle was parked at Tullamarine.

 

[Melburnian1]

Given that WSI has clearly state its expected growth, anyone in an affected area would find it hard to complain that they weren't aware of it.

That has rarely stopped residents who live near freeways or rail lines that 'got busier' from advocating for noise walls to be erected, or wanting double or triple glazing of their homes.