VA562 misses Sydney curfew but lines up for approach anyway

[Aeryn]

Depends.
UberXL would cost me $10 -$20 more to WSI than SYD. Peanuts in the scheme of things

No the distance from WSI to City aka Sydney CBD post code 2000 remains unchanged. A Taxi/Uber from WSI to City is far more expensive than a Taxi/Uber from SYD to City.

Now in your example you obviously aren't going to the city but rather a suburb somewhere, great it works for you but doent change my original point.

 

[Quickstatus]

doent change my original point.

As I said, it depends on your destination.

 

[ChrisFlyer]

It's ridiculous that there is no station at SkyGate, given the number of people who work in that precinct - including at the BAC head office!!

I recall seeing the station still listed in the airport's long-term plan. Whether it was pre-Olympics or a longer long-term plan, though, I don't recall.

 

[elanshin]

Honestly i don't get the whole problem of lack of transport to WSI overnight. This is the same problem with some of the best cities and most connected cities in the world.

Late/early flight from HND/NRT/SIN/ICN etc? Well tough luck, sleeping at the airport or taxi it is. 24/7 rail is a silly idea and a maintenance disaster waiting to happen.

 

[frodo]

Honestly i don't get the whole problem of lack of transport to WSI overnight. This is the same problem with some of the best cities and most connected cities in the world.

Late/early flight from HND/NRT/SIN/ICN etc? Well tough luck, sleeping at the airport or taxi it is. 24/7 rail is a silly idea and a maintenance disaster waiting to happen.

ICN has night buses (I had to catch one last time) but your point still stands, there are many major airports that do not have 24/7 public transport options.

 

[XWu]

If we are talking about SYD curfews and WSI, then the actual big question is would WSI be the alternative airport to land if incoming flights missed the curfew dateline.

Common sense will say “of course “ it save fuel etc, but this doesn’t make it any easier to reposition airplane or staff (if Sydney is their home address, unless they live in the west).

And worse is WSI would need to coordinate with SYD much more closely for airplane reposition (due to short distance and flight time) and it would not be happening first thing in the morning when shoulder period of curfew is reserved mostly for incoming international flights.

If those who missed SYD curfew and land at WSI, you can bet there isn’t a line of bus there to transport them to SYD that night,( if at all)

Hence we are talking about public transport to 24 hr WSI, for those people who landed in Sydney and yet still far from where they want to be.

As for those who knew they are on a flight with scheduled arrivals after 11pm and 5.30 am, and didn’t make contingent plans to get to their destination then, that’s another matter

 

[L2.]

I would have imagined that for unscheduled diversions to WSI after curfew, the expectation would be for the airline to arrange chartered transport (e.g. buses) to take the effected passengers to their booked destination of SYD, after which it would be their own problem to arrange onward transport from Mascot.

It would only be around a 40 minute drive between WSI and SYD in the middle of the night.

 

[RooFlyer]

It's ridiculous that there is no station at SkyGate, given the number of people who work in that precinct - including at the BAC head office!!

Which allows me to re-tell my BNE AirTrain story.

In the '90s, I was investment banking and was a member of the team working for an overseas client (not BAC) looking to purchase Brisbane airport. AirTrain I recall was only then planned or being designed.

Had a client meeting in Sydney. Client rep asks - if they build the Airtrain, do we have to allow it to stop at out airport?

Stunned silence. Eventually, someone pipes up to ask why wouldn't you want an airport train line to stop at the airport?

Answer - taxi concession fees.

 

[elanshin]

If we are talking about SYD curfews and WSI, then the actual big question is would WSI be the alternative airport to land if incoming flights missed the curfew dateline.

Common sense will say “of course “ it save fuel etc, but this doesn’t make it any easier to reposition airplane or staff (if Sydney is their home address, unless they live in the west).

And worse is WSI would need to coordinate with SYD much more closely for airplane reposition (due to short distance and flight time) and it would not be happening first thing in the morning when shoulder period of curfew is reserved mostly for incoming international flights.

If those who missed SYD curfew and land at WSI, you can bet there isn’t a line of bus there to transport them to SYD that night,( if at all)

Hence we are talking about public transport to 24 hr WSI, for those people who landed in Sydney and yet still far from where they want to be.

As for those who knew they are on a flight with scheduled arrivals after 11pm and 5.30 am, and didn’t make contingent plans to get to their destination then, that’s another matter

The pax side is simple. Hand out a cabcharge/ uber vouchers and be done. That is significantly cheaper than diversion to another city for the airline. Hotel fees, taxi/uber there and back. If the airline is not doing any compensation, then things need to be re-evaluated for flying that airline. It might even be cheaper to land at WSI with the fees than the fees/fines for SYD.

As for the airlines themselves with planes, its not very hard, just an extra cost- but still cheaper than diverting to another city. Whilst SYD is congested in the morning, its not THAT congested, gaps do exist if the aircraft is desperately needed at SYD.

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Stunned silence. Eventually, someone pipes up to ask why wouldn't you want an airport train line to stop at the airport?

Answer - taxi concession fees.

Sounds a bit like MEL parking fees

 

[Quickstatus]

taxi concession fees.

Can you please elaborate

 

[RooFlyer]

Can you please elaborate

Idea is that many airports charge taxi (and now Uber I think) to access their property to pick up pax. A private rail would take away many such fares, and lower the airport's revenue. Of course the airport no doubt charges a fee for the rail to similarly access, but that wasn't apparent at the time.

 

[Quickstatus]

Of course the airport no doubt charges a fee for the rail to similarly access, but that wasn't apparent at the time.

Or a passenger "station access fee" like T1 SYD.

The NSW Govt has raked over $700m over 10years since started taking 85% cut of the station revenue in 2014