Solar Panels

Some retailers have Demand Tariff on top of TOU.

Basically they look at the highest single 30 minute consumption (kW) during the demand tariff period in a month multiply by number of days in month and the demand tariff price

So if in June your highest peak 30min was 10kW: 10kW x 30 x price = demand charge.
Yeah we got moved onto demand load, it applies weekdays during specific months for summer and winter. The peak usage is applied to the entire billing period, so I switched to monthly billing on the back of that. And another reason I want to run a battery - those hours as the sun is setting is usually when the oven, heater/aircon are all active and peak usage will kick in.
 
My CL at my other place in jindabyne often come on 10pm-7am weekdays and all day weekends . Recently some parts of Essential energy would have CL on during the day as well - possibly relating to solar generation excesd
Here's a random day in early January when we still had the control load heating our hot water overnight. You can see the tall spikes from 10:30pm onwards, and before 6am in the morning when the tank was being heated.
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Our inverter was measuring. both the normal circuit and the controlled load circuit
 
That's not difficult to do with current sensors for main meter and CL meter.

Officially; . But suggest confirm with reputable battery people.
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Ahh that's odd, I'm not sure why it wouldn't be possible. But then I'm not an expert in such.

But we definitely have two Smart meters:
  • EDMI Atlas Mk10Ad for the three phase
  • EDMI Atlas Mk7a for the controlled load.
 
At the time we last moved (2018) in regional NSW in Essential Energy area there was a ruling that Time of Use could not be forced onto you- I was fortunate that I was aware of it. I am not sure if it still applies. Some of the daily supply charges I read in this thread are way more attractive than the options I have available to suit our use
I expect TOU is going to work best with battery storage, but flat rate works best for me now sans-battery. I hope we are all able to select the option that works best for us rather than being forced to use a specific type of plan. I am finding limited options now for single tariff without demand tariff included.
 
We were told we web forced to move to a smart meter and they came and found the board was on fibro, put a sticker on it about asbestos and ran away screaming. Still pondering but seems the smart meters allow companies to rip off consumers with demand pricing?.
And then many retailers will add a daily charge for having the Smart Meter! In my case, the retailer claims it is an imposed charge by the distributor. What a scam that is, the Smart Meter is for their benefits so they don't need to send someone around to read the meter, but then they want to charge me for the fact that they chose to install it.
 
I am finding limited options now for single tariff without demand tariff included.
This was to be an expected consequence of smart meters becoming more common. It's the Uber-ification of everything becoming supply/demand driven with surge pricing the next thing!
 
Some retailers have Demand Tariff on top of TOU.

Basically they look at the highest single 30 minute consumption (kW) during the demand tariff period in a month multiply by number of days in month and the demand tariff price

So if in June your highest peak 30min was 10kW: 10kW x 30 x price = demand charge.
Yep, that seems to be the way it works. So all the more reason to minimise the peak period consumption, and the only real way for me to do that is with a battery.
 
Ahh that's odd, I'm not sure why it wouldn't be possible. But then I'm not an expert in such.

But we definitely have two Smart meters:
  • EDMI Atlas Mk10Ad for the three phase
  • EDMI Atlas Mk7a for the controlled load.
Its a commercial decision by the energy distributors, and fine-print/rules may vary by location. In SEQ, Energex sets the rules and they have a few different types of controlled load tariffs available. The cheapest is only for Hot Water and available through the night. There is also a rate for other specific "appliances", one of which is swimming pool pumps/chlorinators, that is available during daytime. But the requirement is that it can only be used by specific appliances that are hard-wired in the circuit - i.e. not to a GPO power point. We had the pool shed hard wired into that tariff before the solar installation, and cancelled it when the solar went in as it made more sense to self-consume our solar generation rather than buy at the CR tariff rate.
 
So long as the cost of battery and solar in producing electricity is less than the peak tariff
I am absolutely certain that is going to be the case - if not this year, certainly the following year(s) as tariffs continue to increase and the energy companies find ways to protect their revenues (such as when they introduced Demand Tariff schemes).

And I am willing to invest capital to obtain a platform to protect myself as best I can from the unknown future changes to supply economics and wherever possible to minimise the $$$ that I contribute to the energy company profits.
 
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Even today with battery + solar, if you calculate the cost over a 10yr warranty period its around 40-50c/kWh for most systems.

But hard to predict what will happen.

If putting solar in today ideally you'd aim for an East + West system. Less efficient but panels these days are cheap, and you aren't going to get any FiT for production over North facing times, whereas you might get some around the edges.

Given where wholesale rates are I wonder whether retail rates might become very cheap 10a-4p and say 10p-6a with two costlier periods either side.
Possibly then a battery (or even an EV with V2G) without solar might give you a better return
(Or become a valid option for those without sufficient roof space eg. Large apartment dwellers)
 
If putting solar in today ideally you'd aim for an East + West system. Less efficient but panels these days are cheap, and you aren't going to get any FiT for production over North facing times, whereas you might get some around the edges.
My original 2018 solar install has 6.6kW all north facing. That was the maximum capacity our energy distributor would allow, feeding a 5kW inverter (again, the maximum they permitted per phase).

Now with DC-coupled battery and permitted maximum of 10kW inverter capacity for battery-enabled systems, panel capacity is no longer limited and I could triple the panel capacity and remain compliant with the energy distributor limits. So was considering adding a further 6.5kW in a 2 MPPT East-West configuration.

However, I have been informed by the decision committee that west-facing is unacceptable (visual constraint), so only acceptable option looks like an additional 6kW of panels all facing east, which will give me the capacity to get battery to charged status most mornings. The potential for another 7.5kW using tilt frames on southern roof when the existing pool solar heating system on the southern roof needs replacing (with electric heat-pump). and at that point could also consider additional battery storage capacity, but realistically that might be in 5 or more years time, and options, constraints and cost factors may be very different then.
 
If putting solar in today ideally you'd aim for an East + West system. Less efficient but panels these days are cheap, and you aren't going to get any FiT for production over North facing times, whereas you might get some around the edges.
The installer we used, who incidentally, was also the only one who actually came out to see our place, immediately recommended having east and west facing panels when he saw our roof.

Said this will flatten out our production curve into the times of day we'd need it. I'm so glad we went with it. Heres our physical layout, and production today which has been a mix of cloudy and clear.

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Its a commercial decision by the energy distributors, and fine-print/rules may vary by location. In SEQ, Energex sets the rules and they have a few different types of controlled load tariffs available. The cheapest is only for Hot Water and available through the night. There is also a rate for other specific "appliances", one of which is swimming pool pumps/chlorinators, that is available during daytime. But the requirement is that it can only be used by specific appliances that are hard-wired in the circuit - i.e. not to a GPO power point. We had the pool shed hard wired into that tariff before the solar installation, and cancelled it when the solar went in as it made more sense to self-consume our solar generation rather than buy at the CR tariff rate.
Yep it was only used for the electric hot water heating overnight before we plugged that into the normal circuit.

It just feels like a missed opportunity for me to not use it, as it is consistent and cheap!
 

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