Qantas to cull premium seats as demand dives

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Qantas Airways, the Australian carrier that invented business class 30 years ago, may remove some premium seats as cost-cutting companies force executives to fly coach or stay at home.


''Ideally, in the current environment, we wouldn't have as many premium seats as we have,'' Chief Executive Officer Alan Joyce said in an interview. The carrier is undertaking a fleet-wide review before deciding which planes it should reconfigure with more economy class seats, he added.


The carrier's premium-class sales have plunged about 30% due to the global recession that has also forced Singapore Airlines and Cathay Pacific Airways to pare flying. As much as 40% of the space on some Qantas Boeing 747s is used for business and first-class seats.


''People have just started flying economy rather than business,'' said Saxon Nicholls, who manages more than $500 million at Herschel Asset Management, including Qantas stock. ''When you get a behavioral change like that you have to adapt.''


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Qantas, which says it started business-class travel in 1979, is shielded from the worst effects of the global travel slump by its dominance on internal Australian routes. The carrier has about two-thirds of its domestic market, the best position for any carrier, according to Peter Harbison, executive chairman of the Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation, an industry consulting company.


Still, Qantas is going to have to ''drastically review'' its operations if the global slump continues for another six months, Harbison said. ''It cannot continue with the same structure and neither can any airline.''


Qantas, which expects a record loss in the six months ended June 30, also faces pressure on routes to North America, once its most profitable market, as Delta Air Lines Inc. and Virgin Blue Holdings add flights.


Qantas used to get as much as 15% of earnings from transpacific routes as it shared a duopoly with UAL Corp.'s United Airlines.
''We think every carrier on that route will be losing money,'' said Joyce, 42. ''We are seeing 35% additional capacity being added in the next year in a market that is declining 10%.''


Job cuts


The carrier, founded in the Queensland outback in 1920, may also face a drop in demand following an outbreak of swine flu in Mexico. The Obama administration has declared a public health emergency in response to the outbreak. An epidemic of severe acute respiratory virus, or SARS, six years ago, led to a plunge in international travel.


Joyce has already fired 5% of Qantas staff and curbed flying to pare loses since becoming CEO in November. Whether the carrier reconfigures planes will depend on how long it will take for the work to pay off through higher sales of economy tickets, he said.


The airline has annual revenue of about $10.6 billion compared with $10.7 billion for Singapore Airlines.
 
With the plethora new enhanced J products, have they just added too much to cost and price and meant that J has out J'd its welcome? Will we lose F and will today's J become the new F as far as travel policies go? And will that mean Y+ is really the new J for people who want, but can't afford or pay that much for extra comfort? Will we go back to three class cabins, with a flat bed at the front with OTT food & service for the rich, a middle section with extra width, recline and legroom, some better food but still a seat.... and good old fashioned Y at the back?? Just like it was until up to about 7-8 years ago...
 
With the plethora new enhanced J products, have they just added too much to cost and price and meant that J has out J'd its welcome? Will we lose F and will today's J become the new F as far as travel policies go? And will that mean Y+ is really the new J for people who want, but can't afford or pay that much for extra comfort? Will we go back to three class cabins, with a flat bed at the front with OTT food & service for the rich, a middle section with extra width, recline and legroom, some better food but still a seat.... and good old fashioned Y at the back?? Just like it was until up to about 7-8 years ago...
This is a possibility though we must remember that it won't be doom & gloom for ever (I hope) and then there will be a rush in the other direction.

I really hope you are wrong :!:
 
In my humble opinion the biggest issue here is the ratio in pricing between the J product and the economy product. Maybe the fastest thing they can do is reprice it.

A business seat probably takes 3 x area of an economy seat but picks up about 5 x the revenue (if it sells).

Would people fly business to US/ Europe if it was $AU6000 return. I suspect so, but that might be my misundertsanding.

I also expect a lot of formerly J flying is now Y+ when available. So it seams any reconfig should favour Y+ as well as Y.
 
With all these changes (if they happen), I suspect that QF points upgrades will only be possible 1 cabin forward - ie Y-Y+ and Y+-J.
 
In my humble opinion the biggest issue here is the ratio in pricing between the J product and the economy product. Maybe the fastest thing they can do is reprice it.

Qantas must have read my post - I just got a Red-E-Mail and they have just dropped their J and Y+ pricing (admittedly special only). Some good offers there now.
 
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Qantas must have read my post - I just got a Red-E-Mail and they have just dropped their J and Y+ pricing (admittedly special only). Some good offers there now.

Great - what routes and prices?
 
Great - what routes and prices?


Check out www.qantas.com.au

Available for departures:

In Business to:
- all destinations for this offer - from 6 May to 30 June 2009.

In Premium Economy to:
- Buenos Aires: from 1 June to 31 October 2009
- San Francisco: from 4 July to 31 October 2009
- all other destinations for this offer: from 28 April to 31 October 2009.
 
I couldnt find the page with pricing - when I click on internaitonal deals it is only the Y prices.

Can you post the direct link?
 
Will we lose F and will today's J become the new F as far as travel policies go?

It's possible. NZ did this about 5 years ago and it hasn't hurt them as far as I know. That said QF are still pushing their F product quite strongly.
 
I couldnt find the page with pricing - when I click on internaitonal deals it is only the Y prices.

Can you post the direct link?

There is not a separate page for Y+ and J. You have to search on individual routes and placing in the days you want.
 
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