Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[kamchatsky]

Congregants at the church and partgoers got the same fine. Im talking about business consequence, the party wasnt business sponosred, the church service was.

That's not true though. The church was fined $5000 for the illegal gathering:

Bold claim from church before $35k in fines

A confounding video has emerged of a pastor declaring “the lockdowns are over” during a church service in Blacktown that resulted in more than 30 fines after a group of about 60 men, women and children attended against public health orders.

www.news.com.au

 

[SydneySwan]

The go it alone argument has significant implications for NSW, and for QF. If NSW with 8.1m people is allowed to restart international travel (as a "pilot" you might say) there will be a lot of happy people in this state and a lot of very angry people in other states.

If NSW opens up to international travel first there will be nothing stopping people in other states flying to Sydney and departing internationally. Of course they may have some problems getting back to their own state (assuming they want to return).

 

[jakeseven7]

If NSW opens up to international travel first there will be nothing stopping people in other states flying to Sydney and departing internationally. Of course they my have some problems getting back to their own state (assuming they want to return).

As long as the F lounge is open I’m down with that plan. And getting back, there’s many ways across a state border

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Shouldn't be any risk to anyone who is vaccinated.

But for example, with NSW at 6 million jabs prposed to open up in a minor low risk way - thats still 40% no dose and 68% 1 dose and 1.5-2 million ineligible children.

ICU risks .....compliance risks - ring fencing LGAs of concern at risk....

 

[justinbrett]

But for example, with NSW at 6 million jabs prposed to open up in a minor low risk way - thats still 40% no dose and 68% 1 dose and 1.5-2 million ineligible children.

ICU risks .....compliance risks - ring fencing LGAs of concern at risk....

I think you answered it yourself. Minor risk.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

I think you answered it yourself. Minor risk.

Seemingly presumptuous. You think its answered but its not. Fraud increases all risks.

A coffee/picnic outside between fully vaccinated friends becomes a risk if a fraudulent person comes by the picnic and happens to give covid unknowingly in a fleeting way........

 

[justinbrett]

You think its answered but its not. Fraud increases all risks.

We don't even know what the measures will be yet.

Give NSW Health some credit that they know what they are talking about. We've been assured whatever they are they will be low risk.

 

[Must...Fly!]

I highly doubt hospitality is opening in any meaningful way until a proper authentication measure is available, and I'm sure there are busy beavers programming exactly that in the background right now. If you're vaccinated, you've nothing to worry about. Reality is that every single one of us will be exposed to COVID over the next 12-24 months.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

If NSW opens up to international travel first there will be nothing stopping people in other states flying to Sydney and departing internationally. Of course they may have some problems getting back to their own state (assuming they want to return).

The vaccination rate being higher in NSW is in part due to much greater prorata Pfizer supplied there at present quite rightly due to dire situation there.

Sooner or later the Commonwealth will need to honour its stated commitment for prorata distribution of Pfizer/Moderna as an overall average at which time the gap for fully vaxxed people will close between most states and NSW in terms of Pfizer /Moderna will be get less prorata in the latter stages.

Of course the Government may not do what they said though.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Breakup of current hopitilastions in Vic, including one infant.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1429619350680399877

and on The Royal Melbourne.

 

[justinbrett]

The vaccination rate being higher in NSW is in part due to much greater prorata Pfizer supplied there at present quite rightly due to dire situation there.

Sooner or later the Commonwealth will need to honour its stated commitment for prorata distribution of Pfizer/Moderna as an overall average at which time the gap for fully vaxxed people will close between most states and NSW in terms of Pfizer /Moderna will be get less prorata in the latter stages.

Of course ScoMo may not do what he said though.

I would hazard a guess the higher rate is mostly due to a significantly higher uptake of AZ than other states.

The extra Pfizer doses from Poland were only sold to us because of Sydney so those won't make up part of the pro-rata distribution (though only 50% went to NSW - pro-rata would be 40% so not far off).

I think most of the other extra doses were just brought forward from later deliveries so won't make much difference in the end.

Given that NSW is booked out for 3 months solid but the Victorian Premier said there's spare slots this week (and people cancelling), it may not be a supply issue that explains the differences. Certainly more motivation in NSW to get jabbed than other places.

NSW will get to 80% single jabbed in three weeks, after that the double jab stat will automatically follow to a very similar rate within 4-8 weeks.

If NSW opens up to international travel first there will be nothing stopping people in other states flying to Sydney and departing internationally. Of course they may have some problems getting back to their own state (assuming they want to return).

I'd say the federal ban will be lifted and states can opt in for inwards travel. They won't be able to stop people leaving.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

The vaccination rate being higher in NSW is in part due to much greater prorata Pfizer supplied there at present quite rightly due to dire situation there.

Sooner or later the Commonwealth will need to honour its stated commitment for prorata distribution of Pfizer/Moderna as an overall average at which time the gap for fully vaxxed people will close between most states and NSW in terms of Pfizer /Moderna will be get less prorata in the latter stages.

Of course ScoMo may not do what he said though.

I think you will find NSW only got about 300,000 more Pfizer than pro rata quota - it stems from the Poland jabs and NSW got 300,000 more than pro rata - though all 530,000 jabs went to W/SW Sydney.

The rest are brought forward doses and higher Astra Zeneca jabs.

 

[justinbrett]

 

[antycbr]

I think you will find NSW only got about 300,000 more Pfizer than pro rata quota - it stems from the Poland jabs and NSW got 300,000 more than pro rata - though all 530,000 jabs went to W/SW Sydney.

The rest are brought forward doses and higher Astra Zeneca jabs.

Consider it compensation for running the country's largest hotel quarantine program (and attendant risks) over the last 12 months. You're welcome.

NSW is also fully 1/3 of the population so of any dose split we're already going to get at least that.

 

[oznflfan]

If NSW opens up to international travel first there will be nothing stopping people in other states flying to Sydney and departing internationally. Of course they may have some problems getting back to their own state (assuming they want to return).

Should be sweet to return to wherever you live as NSW won't open up the state and drop international borders until 80%, and all states should get there within cooee of each other.

One of the founding and major parts of the four stage plan is ZERO domestic restrictions, so no state borders closures, ever. Even if a specific and 'highly targeted' Lockdown in a state, and as a vaccinated person you are EXEMPT from domestic restrictions, so no effect on you.

If you lived in WA for arguments sake, you could fly to Sydney, on fly to Paris via Singapore, return to Sydney, maybe (need to) home quarantine for 7 days in a rented self sufficient AirBNB, then return back to WA. Sort of defeats the purpose if your home state didn't allow travel, people to just go around you and the rules, I would.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

I think most of the other extra doses were just brought forward from later deliveries so won't make much difference in the end.

Yes brought forward, so in theory that means that the allocation will become less as NSW will have already consumed that part of its allocation.

ie More jabbed now, so less jabbed in the months the allocation was taken from.

This also needs to occur as for international borders to open all states need to get to a set vaccination level. Again if ScoMo sticks to his word.

 

[justinbrett]

Yes brought forward, so in theory that means that the allocation will become less as NSW will have already consumed that part of its allocation.

ie More jabbed now, so less jabbed in the months the allocation was taken from.

Yes but the amount brought forward was minor in comparison to the Pfizer supply due in September. So what would have been a massive ramp up of Pfizer is instead more of a steady supply. Other states had doses brought forward as well, QLD and I believe VIC.

As I said, NSW will get to 80% in 3 weeks, those vaccines are already accounted for and booked. After that, supply won't be an issue to get the double jab to match, they've already been accounted for and are the highest priority federally (ie, ensuring everybody gets their second jab).

Supply is not the issue. Victoria has spare appointments this week.

 

[antycbr]

Should be sweet to return to wherever you live as NSW won't open up the state and drop international borders until 80%, and all states should get there within cooee of each other.

One of the founding and major parts of the four stage plan is ZERO domestic restrictions, so no state borders closures, ever. Even if a specific and 'highly targeted' Lockdown in a state, and as a vaccinated person you are EXEMPT from domestic restrictions, so no effect on you.

If you lived in WA for arguments sake, you could fly to Sydney, on fly to Paris via Singapore, return to Sydney, maybe (need to) home quarantine for 7 days in a rented self sufficient AirBNB, then return back to WA. Sort of defeats the purpose if your home state didn't allow travel, people to just go around you and the rules, I would.

The PM has his work cut out for him to harmonise the zero-Covid world (QLD/NT/WA/SA/TAS) with Covid-present world (NSW and most likely VIC - ACT is captive to NSW).

I would not bet on states honouring Doherty in any meaningful way if they are in zero-Covid world, instead we will hear all of the reasons why it cant happen:

- uneven distribution of vaccines
- remote communities
- healthcare system
- no vaccine approved for <12
- 12-16 not being part of the eligible population
- daylight saving

So what you have proposed is nice in theory, and I think the feds will need to use the following three cards they control, in increasing order: No funding for lockdowns as there is no longer an emergency, revoking the biosecurity act, and finally a full high court challenge under s.92 on the grounds that the temporary restriction on intercourse between the states is no longer justified as the emergency has passed.

WA residents won't have any confidence that their border will stay open otherwise.

 

[jrfsp]

The deliveries should have been made public.

 

[OATEK]

Yes brought forward, so in theory that means that the allocation will become less as NSW will have already consumed that part of its allocation.

ie More jabbed now, so less jabbed in the months the allocation was taken from.

This also needs to occur as for international borders to open all states need to get to a set vaccination level. Again if ScoMo sticks to his word.

I thought we were keeping politics out of it.

Its obvious that NSW will not need as many jabs down the track to make the 70% target because they are being prioritised now and will be ahead of the game for a while. I am sure it will all even out in the end because the 70% and 80% are national targets under the plan.