Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[Princess Fiona]

QF will be forced to try another capital raising. It's a matter of when, not if in my opinion. If that fails they will probably need to go into voluntary administration like Virgin with a new buyer and shareholders losing their entire investment. The latter would almost certainly mean the A380s would be ditched one would think and a very different airline.

Not on the basis of QFi
They don’t really need it at all. They require a functional Domestic operation.
What they need is the various state governments to stop doing snap border closures when the other state has lockdown over a specific city/ region or part of the state.
The relevant Public Health Orders in that state restrict the movements of those people who are under the restrictions. And they should be enforced and regarded as the instrument that defines who can/can’t leave their home state/ city whilst they are in operation.
There needs to be a Federal definition of a hotspot (aware that there already is one) that is actually realistic and adhered to and is not swamped by sweeping state lockdowns.
All a little OT I’m sorry but to get back on topic
QF/ VA etc need to be able to function on a domestic level before we can even begin to add International into the mix.

 

[OATEK]

Alan Joyce has been wrong multiple times already so his predictions on what will happen should be taken with a grain of salt and should be expected to err on the optimistic side.

I thought it was good business practice to have stretch goals! Personally, I am counting on AJ as one of the agents for change to see some international travel sooner for the fully vaccinated.

 

[Pushka]

Not on the basis of QFi
They don’t really need it at all. They require a functional Domestic operation.
What they need is the various state governments to stop doing snap border closures when the other state has lockdown over a specific city/ region or part of the state.
The relevant Public Health Orders in that state restrict the movements of those people who are under the restrictions. And they should be enforced and regarded as the instrument that defines who can/can’t leave their home state/ city whilst they are in operation.
There needs to be a Federal definition of a hotspot (aware that there already is one) that is actually realistic and adhered to and is not swamped by sweeping state lockdowns.
All a little OT I’m sorry but to get back on topic
QF/ VA etc need to be able to function on a domestic level before we can even begin to add International into the mix.

SA is currently reinforcing that 80% vaccination will see that border closures will only be used as a last resort. Trouble is, their definition and mine will differ significantly. And in any case, shouldnt that criteria have been used all along?

 

[jb747]

Not on the basis of QFi
They don’t really need it at all. They require a functional Domestic operation.

That would be called TAA. So, I guess it would be considered a success by some if they took the combined QF and TAA, and reduced it to TAA.

That domestic company would still have all of the debts and staff of the entire company that it would need to pay out. Can’t see how that would work… I expect that they‘ll eventually walk away from all forms of creditors by whatever means is most expedient.

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SA is currently reinforcing that 80% vaccination will see that border closures will only be used as a last resort. Trouble is, their definition and mine will differ significantly. And in any case, shouldnt that criteria have been used all along?

The border will be wide open, but you’re not allowed to leave your house.

 

[Eastwick20]

SA is currently reinforcing that 80% vaccination will see that border closures will only be used as a last resort. Trouble is, their definition and mine will differ significantly. And in any case, shouldnt that criteria have been used all along?

And WA and QLD’s version of last resort will be very different to NSW and VIC’s version and so on and so on

We all know these so called “agreements” decided at National Cabinet mean absolutely nothing in the real world.

Premiers like a McGowan will do the complete opposite with absolutely no hesitation

 

[twiningb]

When will people understand that he isn’t actually predicting anything… he’s just piling on the pressure to the governments by raising hope and expectation. It’s just PR tactics people.

Yes, but the pressure on the government is good and he should go hard.

 

[jakeseven7]

Yes, but the pressure on the government is good and he should go hard.

Oh I 100% agree!

It’s just people on here get confused and actually think he runs the country

 

[Flashback]

While there have been talks and maybes, there's now agreements starting to happen.

Media statements | Western Australian Government

Media statements

www.mediastatements.wa.gov.au

Going to be a long, long time before Australia opens up again with that kind of lagging mentality.

 

[twiningb]

SA is currently reinforcing that 80% vaccination will see that border closures will only be used as a last resort. Trouble is, their definition and mine will differ significantly. And in any case, shouldnt that criteria have been used all along?

"But this really is the last resort. I know I said that last time...and the several times before that."

 

[ayushamity]

Both the QLD and VIC premiers/CHO are urging to reach 80% vaccination rates to end all restrictions (Dan Andrews also said today that its a race to get to 80%, much like NSW).

Looks like there might be hope in going back normal end of the year (instead of waiting till the federal election in May).

 

[moa999]

Further issues for those trying to get home, from an airliners.net thread

Interesting side effect of all this, the Australian government apparently hasn’t raised the inbound arrival quarantine capacity and airlines are now in the process of canceling aussie expats flights from around the world because there is allegedly no capacity for them despite all the Afghan returnees quarantining in Perth which hasn’t had any other international arrivals.

 

[twiningb]

Both the QLD and VIC premiers/CHO are urging to reach 80% vaccination rates to end all restrictions (Dan Andrews also said today that its a race to get to 80%, much like NSW).

Looks like there might be hope in going back normal end of the year (instead of waiting till the federal election in May).

Qld and Vic govts have been entirely untrustworthy regarding COVID response so as much as I want an end to this (in Vic!) I will not be holding my breath.

[edited to fix autocorrect error]

 

[dajop]

Further issues for those trying to get home, from an airliners.net thread

The bit that says Perth .. "hasn't had any other international arrivals" is false. Very few (265 a week), but they still are taking SQ, Scoot, EK, CX and QR flights. Just saw a bus pull up outside our quarantine hotel and drop off some pax (presumably off SQ 223 which carried 17 pax today).

They were taking Olympians (above the cap) and now looks like Afghan returnees (above the cap) taking the capacity was cut in July from 530 to 265,

 

[SYD]

The bit that says Perth .. "hasn't had any other international arrivals" is false. Very few (265 a week), but they still are taking SQ, Scoot, EK, CX and QR flights.

265 a week - aka “Buggerall”.

The actual number of positive COVID cases in HQ around the country is actually quite low at the moment and I’m surprised the caps haven’t been raised - not withstanding the issue with Delta locally (which has not generally been a HQ breach issue - apart from NZ….).

 

[N860CR]

The actually number of positive COVID cases in HQ around the country is actually quite low at the moment and I’m surprised the caps haven’t been raised - not withstanding the issue with Delta locally (which has not generally been a HQ breach issue - apart from NZ….).

Thats something that should be looked into. Hopefully it is (behind the scenes). Given the global “delta explosion”, how are returning Australians so incredibly resilient. Or is something as simple as, I don’t know, vaccination?

 

[mviy]

Thats something that should be looked into. Hopefully it is (behind the scenes). Given the global “delta explosion”, how are returning Australians so incredibly resilient. Or is something as simple as, I don’t know, vaccination?

Well part of the purpose of getting vaccination stats (honour system trusting people to be truthful atm, but it is what it is) would be to inform decisions about future home quarantine. Vaccination rates of returning travellers and at what rate vaccinated travellers test positive in hotel quarantine (for now) and later home quarantine would help with assessing risk.

 

[dajop]

Thats something that should be looked into. Hopefully it is (behind the scenes). Given the global “delta explosion”, how are returning Australians so incredibly resilient. Or is something as simple as, I don’t know, vaccination?

Pre departure testing (within 72 hrs of departing for Australia) also probably weeds out a significant portion of people with current infections.

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

Just hoping Joyce announces Qantas international 2 weeks after the 15/11/2021 'get vaxxed' deadline they gave staff

 

[mviy]

Pre departure testing (within 72 hrs of departing for Australia) also probably weeds out a significant portion of people with current infections.

I suspect that when travel opens up more broadly they may require not only PCR test within 72 hours of departure, but also a rapid test at the airport. Whilst rapid tests aren't as good they are cheaper and faster.

 

[SYD]

I suspect that when travel opens up more broadly they may require not only PCR test within 72 hours of departure, but also a rapid test at the airport. Whilst rapid tests aren't as good they are cheaper and faster.

It would be interesting to see what stats / studies are out there that look at the trade off between the accuracy of rapid testing v the risk of a negative PCR test but then to get infected in the ensuing 72 hrs! There’s obviously a range of factors in that equation.