Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Sadly I think NSW issues might be enough to keep everyone going. Just got to stop our SA Premier telling us 'he will keep us safe' with border controls. The rider should be - 'with vaccination'. But I guess that is giving more credit to Feds than his own sense of control with the border. Clearly 'border closure' is going to be the buzz word for elections for the foreseeable future. Who have thought Australia would come to this.

Unfortunately I think the subconscious plan is for SA to be last in the race, so can ride on the coattails of moving goal posts and other States' reactions to rising numbers/hspitalisations etc when opening up happens. But I think for when international travel opens up, SA won't be locked up because of course you can leave from any port/airport. And for coming back if you hadn't gone for a long holiday and SA still hadn't met the national standard, you might be subject to a slightly more strict quarantine.

 

[Pushka]

Unfortunately I think the subconscious plan is for SA to be last in the race, so can ride on the coattails of moving goal posts and other States' reactions to rising numbers/hspitalisations etc when opening up happens. But I think for when international travel opens up, SA won't be locked up because of course you can leave from any port/airport. And for coming back if you hadn't gone for a long holiday and SA still hadn't met the national standard, you might be subject to a slightly more strict quarantine.

Our election is next March. Be interesting to see the balance between staying under the doona versus letting us out! Luckily for him the vaccination program should be complete and even going to booster stage.

 

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NoCookies | The Australian

I am consoling myself it could be worse, if we were living in NZ the international borders may never reopen

“New Zealand should attempt to keep Covid-19 out of the country indefinitely, even after the population is largely vaccinated, the Ardern government’s expert advisory group says.”

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

NoCookies | The Australian

I am consoling myself it could be worse, if we were living in NZ the international borders may never reopen

“New Zealand should attempt to keep Covid-19 out of the country indefinitely, even after the population is largely vaccinated, the Ardern government’s expert advisory group says.”

Depends on what you are not liking.

Australian residents have issues going out (travel ban) and potentially coming back (caps).

I believe New Zealand residents just have issues coming back (limited vouchers for MIQ)

 

[N860CR]

“New Zealand should attempt to keep Covid-19 out of the country indefinitely, even after the population is largely vaccinated, the Ardern government’s expert advisory group says.”

The Ardern government has hardly proven itself to be competent. They did, however, jump under the doona early. The problem with these governments is, eventually, they run out of other people’s money

 

[Jousams]

The Ardern government has hardly proven itself to be competent. They did, however, jump under the doona early. The problem with these governments is, eventually, they run out of other people’s money

Ironic that the Argentinians have recently run out of money too, several times.

 

[twiningb]

If we'd all been vaccinated by now based on the original targets - we wouldn't be having lockdowns.

Have you met Daniel Andrews?

 

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Depends on what you are not liking.

Australian residents have issues going out (travel ban) and potentially coming back (caps).

I believe New Zealand residents just have issues coming back (limited vouchers for MIQ)

It’s not the current state, it’s more the concept that the NZ report recommendeds maintaining an elimination strategy even when 80-90%+ vaccination rates. So NZ is likely to be closed off to the world well into 2024 at that rate.

 

[Must...Fly!]

It’s not the current state, it’s more the concept that the NZ report recommendeds maintaining an elimination strategy even when 80-90%+ vaccination rates. So NZ is likely to be closed off to the world well into 2024 at that rate.

Well what it does mean is that the bubble will not resume if they do choose to go down that road. Maybe WA could become a region of NZ.

 

[bcworld]

Have you met Daniel Andrews?

What about Gladys? She's a massive fan of the zero case lockdown now.

 

[jb747]

Mindsets are going to have to change dramatically before international flying will ever resume. When the crews are required to quarantine for 2 weeks after each and every flight (and aren’t being paid either), you’re simply not going to have crews. One of my friends has spent 6 months of the last twelve stood down, and two months of the working six month period in quarantine.

 

[Pushka]

Well what it does mean is that the bubble will not resume if they do choose to go down that road. Maybe WA could become a region of NZ.

I just heard on the radio that it's exactly the opposite. Allowing travel to NZ from designated low risk countries if you are vaccinated without quarantine and that by September everyone will have access to Pfizer. .

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Mindsets are going to have to change dramatically before international flying will ever resume. When the crews are required to quarantine for 2 weeks after each and every flight (and aren’t being paid either), you’re simply not going to have crews. One of my friends has spent 6 months of the last twelve stood down, and two months of the working six month period in quarantine.

Vaccination should be mandatory to prevent that.

 

[jb747]

Vaccination should be mandatory to prevent that.

Amongst crew, passengers, or the public? Our governments have shown no inclination towards allowing the vaccinated to do anything the unvaccinated can't, so I cannot see this changing any time soon.

I agree that it should be mandatory, for everyone.

OK, agree with that bit but at heart we should have had much higher vaccine rates by now and even now some states are still lagging.

Lagging in what way? Percentages? Tasmania is doing really well....it's achieved roughly the population of Geelong. Some tasks are monumentally bigger than others. To be honest, I think they're all lagging, with the vaccination process being an example of monumental government failure.

Have you met Daniel Andrews?

No, I'd run screaming from the room. But I have met a lot of other politicians, of all brands, and with the exception of one or two bright spots, they've all had a close association with the bottom of the barrel.

 

[Pushka]

Amongst crew, passengers, or the public? Our governments have shown no inclination towards allowing the vaccinated to do anything the unvaccinated can't, so I cannot see this changing any time soon.

Everyone. Trouble is we aren’t far enough into the vaccination process for anything other than quarantine to be the blunt weapon. Exactly the same as in the UK where it was 7 months from first vaccination to July for freedoms to kick in.

 

[oznflfan]

Big smile this morning after reading NZ's Four Stage Plan. Similar to Australia's but a few key differences:

A) Not convoluted like ours, with our states and nation all need to meet various targets before moving to phase.
B) NZ are talking about moving through phases once everyone has had the chance to have a vaccination, not hardline percentages like us.
C) In Phase 3 the PM talking about letting us travel internationally, but quiet on return policy, loosely stating amended or suitable reduced (nil?) quarantine for safe countries. NZ talking the UK approach (what we should have done) with Green countries (low risk) no quarantine, Amber countries (medium risk) home quarantine, and red of course being high risk MIQ. All inbound travellers must be vaccinated and have negative test. No specific dates, but indications being sometime in first half of 2022 (maybe early 2022) Phase 3 will be in force and NZ will have international visitors.
This is troublesome to Scomo's four phase plan, and Trans Tasman Bubble will be cancelled because of this, as if Trans Tasman Bubble is open, we still haven't hit 70% and in Phase 1, NZ could be in Phase 3 in March and have travellers from Green Countries. I could travel from and back to NZ no quarantine, then fly back to Australia no quarantine. I know there are current restrictions doing this, but NZ Phase 3 might override this.

Anyone else excited about this? Image if NZ pumping with international tourists in March next year and we are still fluffing around with state border closures.

 

[Flashback]

Unfortunately I think the subconscious plan is for SA to be last in the race, so can ride on the coattails of moving goal posts and other States' reactions to rising numbers/hspitalisations etc when opening up happens. But I think for when international travel opens up, SA won't be locked up because of course you can leave from any port/airport. And for coming back if you hadn't gone for a long holiday and SA still hadn't met the national standard, you might be subject to a slightly more strict quarantine.

Our election is next March. Be interesting to see the balance between staying under the doona versus letting us out! Luckily for him the vaccination program should be complete and even going to booster stage.

Then you get things like this.......... good onya, SA!

Olympic body lambasts 'cruel' 28-day quarantine for athletes returning to South Australia

The Australian Olympic Committee (AOC) has labelled the government of South Australia "cruel and uncaring" for imposing an extra two-week quarantine for athletes returning via Sydney from the Tokyo Games, meaning a 28 days of quarantine in total.

www.reuters.com

 

[Pushka]

Big smile this morning after reading NZ's Four Stage Plan. Similar to Australia's but a few key differences:

A) Not convoluted like ours, with our states and nation all need to meet various targets before moving to phase.
B) NZ are talking about moving through phases once everyone has had the chance to have a vaccination, not hardline percentages like us.
C) In Phase 3 Scomo talking about letting us travel internationally, but quiet on return policy, loosely stating amended or suitable reduced (nil?) quarantine for safe countries. NZ talking the UK approach (what we should have done) with Green countries (low risk) no quarantine, Amber countries (medium risk) home quarantine, and red of course being high risk MIQ. All inbound travellers must be vaccinated and have negative test. No specific dates, but indications being sometime in first half of 2022 (maybe early 2022) Phase 3 will be in force and NZ will have international visitors.
This is troublesome to Scomo's four phase plan, and Trans Tasman Bubble will be cancelled because of this, as if Trans Tasman Bubble is open, we still haven't hit 70% and in Phase 1, NZ could be in Phase 3 in March and have travellers from Green Countries. I could travel from and back to NZ no quarantine, then fly back to Australia no quarantine. I know there are current restrictions doing this, but NZ Phase 3 might override this.

Anyone else excited about this? Image if NZ pumping with international tourists in March next year and we are still fluffing around with state border closures.

And there is the gateway.

 

[mviy]

And there is the gateway.

I think if we're still closed next year then the NZ gateway will be considered, certainly if we're still shut late next year. We need an end date for the current madness and if the government won't provide one then they can't expect people not to explore other options forever.

 

[hb13]

What Ardern put out, at least in terms of international travel is what you call a PLAN. The fact is, people can now begin to prepare and have an idea of what will occur. It is unbelievable how incompetent the Aussie government is, and everyone defending them - look at the Ardern Plan - that's how you do it.

Till now, even though Australia is more advanced in its vaccine timeline, we have no idea when Aussies can come home and have no quarantine or home quarantine. It's a joke and frankly pathetic from the Morrison government. The "plan" for when 80% is achieved - if it ever happens - still doesn't lay out any details on fully vaxxed Aussies and what happens when they come home apart from them being outside of the caps and possibly "proportionate quarantine".

Ardern even said the pilot/trial will happen in October. We have zero details on the trial in Australia - apart from some paralympians will be involved.

 

[Pushka]

- apart from some paralympians will be involved.

That was supposed to happen in SA. After the cluster mess currently with SA Health and extended quarantine I think that's gone to pie in the sky.