Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

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Sigh, what are you on about.... one quick google gives you all this information... from government sources...

e.g NSW had 44 cases actively infectious in the community yesterday
e.g. NSW had 247 cases still unlinked/mystery (under investigation) yesterday
Totally correct - if you know that they are not providing the complete information.

Question is - why not supply the complete or true picture? After all is'nt the stated aim to encourage people to take precautions & minimise risk of catching/passing on CV?

The Govt should continue to present the unvarnished truth even when it does not portray them positively.

Finally, as I type, a journalist has just asked why don't you quote the 'all' out number not just the 'entire time'. Not answer response of course...
 
Not at all good on hospitalisations, ICU and ventilated all being up. :(
Did Kerry Chant mention those figures today? I heard the poor lady's death mentioned But I didn't notice those figures but I did get distracted at one stage.
 
I don't know what you are referring to, but certainly faster = better.
Things certainly feel a lot more in control in Vic than they do in NSW. Remains to be seen if it stays that way but yes, the situations are very different. This lockdown was never going to end after 5 days, I don't think anyone is surprised...I would've expected a shorter extension though.
 
Likely but not confirmed source of SA man is RPA. Possible to be the taxi to the airport or even the flight. Last case dined with another positive at Halifax Greek Restaurant. Very crowded and popular place.
 
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NSW Health Minister is getting more and more fed up with some of the reporters each day.
 
NSW Health Minister is getting more and more fed up with some of the reporters each day.

Unfortunately unless they bundle him out of the press conferences (Likely I suspect given not adding much apart from going rogue) he is just going to have to suck it up and deal with them, it is his job and he is very well paid to be 'fed up' with them
 
Likely but not confirmed source of SA man is RPA. Possible to be the taxi to the airport or even the flight. Last case dined with another positive at Halifax Greek Restaurant. Very crowded and popular place.
As an overseas traveller from HQ he could well have been cohorted in hospital as suspected Covid. Definitely wouldn’t have been in the general non-Covid wards.
One would think that the hospital was the most likely source rather than taxi or flight.
 
Not surprised but will this reduce the ongoing Victoria’s lockdown is better than NSWs chatter?

I think the what Delta has demonstrated is that if Delta gains momentum, that you need a lockdown to curtail it in this land of the as yet still mainly unvaccinated.

What Lockdown measures are used also depends on how much mixing is allowed and how quickly one wishes to curtail things, plus different settings for any region may well be best as well for a number of reasons. Dr Chant seemed to be very focused today on reducing mixing today. And luck also plays a big part.

So each State, including now SA, needs to find the right balance of lockdown restrictions and other measures that works for their circumstances including the spread that they are faced with..

All lockdowns have had different settings, and different settings within the lockdown times period if they go more than a day or so. So there is not a Vic Lockdown and NSW Lockdown, there is just what ever the settings are at a point in time.. NSW has been steadily tightening, and so clearly the first settings were not tight enough. Vic has also has some tightening and in particular on how Tier 1 sites are handled. Overall NSW started lighter than the current Vic settings, but parts of it are now stricter. But there are still many differences. ie Vic has 5km rule, NSW 10km. NSW has now shut construction, Victoria has not.

Plus it is not just lockdown measures that impact, but also what other measures are taken. I am not completely sure but I think Vic is quarantining more lose contacts than NSW Health dose. But NSW Health may well have tightened up on this.

Given the incubation period, 5 days does not get beyond that in Victoria yet and so how effective the lockdown is in Victoria will be more seen over the next week or so.

The second ring (or 3 depending on how you define it) method of quenching transmission chains would have been deployed in Victoria regardless of being in lockdown or not and this has probably been the main factor to date in containing the cases that started from the pre-lockdown transmission chains.

The lockdown would have assisted, but its greater value in my opinion will be in:
  • helping to have minimised the growth of any unknown transmission chains, plus situations where people are not doing what they need to be doing, or like the Mildura man who reportedly tested negative and so was allowed to still circulate till settings were tightened for the MCG..
  • minimising or preventing new unknown transmission chains from having been seeded in the first place. ie From transmissions as people went about their normal day to day activities.
Roxburgh Park Lady is the first possible unknown transmission chain that has bubbled up in Victoria (ie was not subject any second ring suppression). Apart from her test result, Roxburgh Park was also identified in wastewater testing yesterday.


Victoria's main challenge at present seems to be speed of replication and super spreaders in the 60's Man and someone at Miss Frankies, and possibly the AAMI attendee. without a lockdown such opportunities for the virus to have spread much further than it has would have abounded.

The speed of replication, combined with how little time is now needed for a transmission in many cases, are probably key reasons why any jurisdiction will need lockdown measures if Delta gains a foothold.
 
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NSW number for the past 7 days. Three more days to see if NSW the non-critical list can be seen in the number such that eg fully isolating while infectious is sustained above 70% and partially isolating while infectious mops up the remainder.

Its still an open question of whether NSW will open if it gets to say 70% fully isolating while infectious and 30% partially isolating while infectious.

NSW authorities going on a different tack today - follow the spirit of the rules.

DateLocal acquiredOverseas acquiredIsolating during infectious periodPartially isolating during infectious periodICUVentilatorDeath
14-Jul​
97​
2​
60 (62%)7 (7%)
20​
4​
15-Jul​
65​
2​
29 (45%)7 (11%)
19​
5​
16-Jul​
97​
1​
46 (47%)17 (18%)
18​
5​
17-Jul​
111​
6​
69 (62%)10 (9%)
18​
6​
3rd
18-Jul​
105​
4​
69 (65%)7 (7%)
18​
7​
4th
19-Jul​
98​
2​
54 (55%)17 (17%)
24​
7​
20-Jul​
78​
1​
37 (47%)8 (10%)
27​
11​
5th
21-Jul​
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Not surprised but will this reduce the ongoing Victoria’s lockdown is better than NSWs chatter?

Well Victoria went earlier, but NSW lockdown (including construction workers and 3-day testing in some LGAs) is much broader.

Certainly NSW went into lockdown too late.

That said Victoria should have gone earlier too - either Sun night when they were first advised that the positive removalists had transited the state, or Tue when they had first positive.
Neither would have stopped the MCG transmissions, but would have stopped AAMI Park and some of the secondary transmission.

I think unfortunately people will continue to compare states.
 
At some point we will have to - but vacc rates need to be a lot higher.

Think UK is the perfect example of going to early.
Now back to 50k new cases a day, and putting stress on the hospital system, even if deaths remain fairly low (~40 a day) as the most vulnerable are fairly well vaccinated.

Certainly, and I don’t think anyone is saying we should open right up and welcome unvaccinated people from India.

We do, however, have the vulnerable vaccinated (or they’ve had the opportunity to do so) so we need to start changing the narrative and approach.

18 months in, despite all our advances, half of the country is now locked down harder than ever before.
 
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Well Victoria went earlier, but NSW lockdown (including construction workers and 3-day testing in some LGAs) is much broader.

Certainly NSW went into lockdown too late.

That said Victoria should have gone earlier too - either Sun night when they were first advised that the positive removalists had transited the state, or Tue when they had first positive.
Neither would have stopped the MCG transmissions, but would have stopped AAMI Park and some of the secondary transmission.

I think unfortunately people will continue to compare states.
Locking down before a case arises (I think SA did it) was and probably still is mocked as an appropriate course.

In both examples I think Delta showed once it was able to transmit in a high population venue (Westfield Bondi and MCG), its probably the time to have restrictions ramp up.

Its always difficult to balance keeping open as much as possible v deciphering what Delta could do or mistaken put it down to a one-off superspreader. At least on this occasion Victoria got an insight into what Delta could do.
 
Its always difficult to balance keeping open as much as possible v deciphering what Delta could do or mistaken put it down to a one-off superspreader. At least on this occasion Victoria got an insight into what Delta could do.
The infectiousness of Delta strain was known about long before it flew into SYD that day back in June. Nobody needed to wait for local Australian evidence of that.
 
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I don't know what you are referring to, but certainly faster = better.
I agree with that bit, its some of the more marginal stuff I have issues with. Heard an assistant at a luxury good store saying they had an average of 3 customers a day. Wouldn't be hard to social distance! While I totally agree that luxury shopping is not essential I think there are plenty of other real Covid issues when this was the one that got the column inches and social media comments.
 
The infectiousness of Delta strain was known about long before it flew into SYD that day back in June. Nobody needed to wait for local Australian evidence of that.
Weren't there some false alarms in Australia with Delta - meaning it was Delta but then had those snap lockdowns and didn't have actual spread that quickly???
 
Well Victoria went earlier, but NSW lockdown (including construction workers and 3-day testing in some LGAs) is much broader.

Certainly NSW went into lockdown too late.

That said Victoria should have gone earlier too - either Sun night when they were first advised that the positive removalists had transited the state, or Tue when they had first positive.
Neither would have stopped the MCG transmissions, but would have stopped AAMI Park and some of the secondary transmission.

I think unfortunately people will continue to compare states.

I don't think that any state would go into lockdown just on the basis that a Delta Case has been in the state (ie no transmission). And especially with a case that should have been following particular strict conditions, which we now know that they did not.

At most at the time I think one could argue that they could have gone a day earlier.

However if on the 13th (when the 3 first cases were known) they had of gone into immediate lockdown it would have only prevented relatively few cases so far. Remember that most cases who have so far turned positive were infected prior to the 13th, and so it is not when they tested positive that is important, it is when they were infected. See graphic below for cases circled in green:

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I agree with that bit, its some of the more marginal stuff I have issues with. Heard an assistant at a luxury good store saying they had an average of 3 customers a day. Wouldn't be hard to social distance! While I totally agree that luxury shopping is not essential I think there are plenty of other real Covid issues when this was the one that got the column inches and social media comments.

I suppose but then someone (not me) could argue thats at least 4 non essential trips by all those people to get to that store and all the incidental contacts that go with it. And Delta has proven it only needs 0.5 seconds passing someone in a shopping centre to transmit in a fleeting circumstance as Dr Chant says…
 
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I don't think that any state would go into lockdown just on the basis that a Delta Case has been in the state (ie no transmission).

But that's the challenge with Delta.

We've seen a couple of Qld cases and the NSW BBQ man case where Delta hasn't spread.

But equally the NSW and Vic cases show once seeded it can spread very quickly .
 
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