Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

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jase05 said:
My understanding is that there was some concern over the exposure sites last night and the 4th case I mentioned. Seems like Case 4 was in isolation and after sleeping on it those in charge might be a bit more relaxed (one can hope)
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I do like to read your updates on things as a guide to what is actually happening around SA.
 
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Pushka said:
I read somewhere last night that there was a national agreement that people returning to home state from quarantine did not have to do state quarantine. Annoyingly the fact this man spent those last 10 days in a public hospital seems to have been placed in the same position which it surely isn't. It's not even clear that he is Australian or PR but rescued by his family in Adelaide due to extreme ill health. But was able to visit places.
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The man travelled from Argentina. Having been inside a hospital in Argentina in 2019 I can fully understand why his family would want to get him back (?) here. I certainly hope he is a citizen or PR as otherwise it would seem to be preferential treatment for him as I understand that Fed Govt does not count parents as close family members and plenty have complained about their inability to bring their parents here during the pandemic.
 
drron said:
Not neccessarily so.In the NWRH cluster the elderly who died mostly got covid when in hospital because of their other illnesses.So you can't really say that all of them neccessarily would have left hospital alive if they hadn't got covid.Remember they were all over 80 and had at least 3 co morbidities.
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Again that's right. But cases where the cause of death is clearly not covid related, or premature because of covid, are excluded from the counting.
 
SydneySwan said:
The man travelled from Argentina. Having been inside a hospital in Argentina in 2019 I can fully understand why his family would want to get him back (?) here. I certainly hope he is a citizen or PR as otherwise it would seem to be preferential treatment for him as I understand that Fed Govt does not count parents as close family members and plenty have complained about their inability to bring their parents here during the pandemic.
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Agree fully. But it seems strange that an 81 with a pre existing condition would travel over to Argentina (as an Aussie/PR) without his adult children in the midst of an 18 month long pandemic. And we will never be told. It did say they had received a Compassionate exemption so? This is the most we are getting: "The grandfather, from Buenos Aires, has a pre-existing medical condition. The family has asked not to be identified.". There is no mention of his Aus citizenship status. Maybe we need a certain reporter at the media conference.
 
lovetravellingoz said:
I heard about a day or so back that test results were taking upto 72 hours. Prioritisation going to higher risk testing sites.
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I had a test at 1.45pm on Sunday as did my wife at Royal North Shore Hospital in St Leonards. She is a health worker so her test is prioritised. Results;

Wife - Monday 6.41am.
Me - Monday 4.25pm.

Both negative.
 
lovetravellingoz said:
I heard about a day or so back that test results were taking upto 72 hours. Prioritisation going to higher risk testing sites.
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It does depend on why the doctors/surgeons are asking for tests....if the patients have no symptoms then it wont be prioritised - I think yesterday NSW CHO said that surveillance testing was lower on the prioritisation list.

If the patient has symptoms, then not sure why doctors and surgeons need a test - because patients should be testing and isolating until negative anyway.
 
Princess Fiona said:
You have a lot to add to the discussion but I find it hard to see past the anti-Govt rhetoric at times.
It is similar to the anti-QF stuff in its persistence.
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I am against misleading information or false information being put out by people, companies or Govts. Too many companies manage to mislead & see many who cannot afford to lose their money - do just that. The PR image works until it doesn't.

QF is a 'favourite' true enough IMHO due to the privilieged position they appear to have & ability to wreck havoc on their work force, Australian travelling public & Australian taxpayer seemingly with impunity. Started years ago when I was asked to come speak with someone worried about his money a couple of days after the October 1987 crash. He made some good decisions subsequently that saw his nest egg grow over the next few years unlike too many others influenced by the media.

The man, one of the most senior Q maintenance people was allegedly told to oversee a repair until completed (illegal I believe) on a B747 fixed for a very high profile visitor's return flight, had a serious accident around the 36 hour mark & subsequently kicked out by Q now permanently disabled, unable to work etc. No compensation as he "breached the rules" & "worked too long", despite being 'ordered to do so' verbally by top Mgmt (VERY top mgmt) who denied ever telling him to. He had no written proof as he was summoned to see the 'Gods' where they told him what was required (not normal procedure but what did that matter) - so it was his word against 3 very Top Q execs.

No Govt body would help as Q Mgmt tell the truth. Lawyers (kindly) advised him not to waste his money hiring them.

Good news - his retirement nest egg (transferred from Qantas Super) was still around 7% above the 30 June 1987 figure as we did very well in October 1987, and he unloaded a whole lot of information about Q behind the veil as well as putting me onto a number of long term Q staff.

Of course he may have not told me the truth, but what he revealed on other matters & what I found out from the others he put me in touch with - I could confirm as 100% factual. One particular heinous act was confirmed via a rival fund manager who I ensured never had an empty glass of red at one function.
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Trouble is these days various Politicians/senior bureaucrats are doing it way too often & most of the mainstream journalists are too fearful for their jobs (as a number have told me point blank much more frequently since 2010 or so).

Such as Scott Morrison's claims over lack of supply slowing the vaccine rollout to Group 1A when there was never one delay to Pfizer deliveries which Group 1A were to receive.

Or the non-rollout to Disability Care facilities - residents & workers alike.

Or NSW's understating the people out & about while infected - announcing just those out the entire time & not those out for part of the time. I may be pedantic (so many AFFers agreeing!) but saying "27 were out while infected" when it was 27 all the time + 17 some of the time = misleading & downplaying potential impact in the community.

Or the disappearance of announcing "Unlinked cases" because the number has been above the "failure of contact tracing" rate NSW declared early last year.

Where I can, I try to do something about it. Sometimes it leads to 'investigations' by the likes of State or Federal Auditor Generals, State ICAC equivalents, ACCC, ASX or the media. Other times it leads to changes within companies, even product changes.

Too often certain State organisations don't have the funding available given their caseload, other times the evidence I present is comprehensive enough that they do not have to do much work other than to confirm the authenticity of documents I provide and the accuracy of analysis.

Total fines that I've had a hand in getting levied is now a little over $12m, but the adverse publicity is the more relevant cost to the companies involved as several major financial institutions can attest. Hence why if I call a company secretary's office - I get through.

Back OT.
 
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bcworld said:
New Qld case

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1417274198716686340
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So this again, along with Mildura Man, reinforces the importance of a 14 day quarantine period for any Tier 1 sites regardless of any test results. And to not test and release.

Given how quickly this strain replicates (ie 36 hours and less in some cases) what is a Tier 1 Site needs to err on the cautious side as that quick replication period means that new transmission chains can rapidly build and especially if a super-spreader gets created.
 
Re the Victorian results, it's good that they are linked, but they don't seem to be saying whether they were out and about, or inside quarantine.
 
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RAM said:
Or NSW's understating the people out & about while infected - announcing just those out the entire time & not those out for part of the time. I may be pedantic (so many AFFers agreeing!) but saying "27 were out while infected" when it was 27 all the time + 17 some of the time = misleading & downplaying potential impact in the community.

Or the disappearance of announcing "Unlinked cases" because the number has been above the "failure of contact tracing" rate NSW declared early last year.
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Sigh, what are you on about.... one quick google gives you all this information... from government sources...

e.g NSW had 44 cases actively infectious in the community yesterday
e.g. NSW had 247 cases still unlinked/mystery (under investigation) yesterday
 
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