Why do we hold unreal expectations of Qantas??

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My personal feeling is that Qantas is not motivated to improve its inflight and ground service because they simply don't see it as much of a problem given their record profits.

I would argue it’s the shackles of status... even when they weren’t making money their service was patchy. But people still flew.

Cathay and singapore airlines had quadruple daily seri es with full flat beds in business class, but qantas was still filling its single daily flight despite having angled beds. On paper, not a lot can explain the loyalty to qantas. Except (a) safety and (b) status.
 
My values and Qantas values are closer together than say Etihad.

I wouldn’t, no matter how good or cheap, ever use Emirates, Etihad, Qatar etc simply because they are a part of oppressive governments. Despite the slick looking cities they still kill people for adultery, lock unmarried people up for holding hands.

I’d rather support QF, AA BA with my hard earned. Even Cathy now is under the Chinese pump.

So again, I fly QF as tu home team with more closely alignd values on what they do with my little part of the profit I contribute to.
 
Maybe the question should be more of "Who DOES hold unreal expectations of QANTAS"?

I think many here have indicated that they base their views on experience of both flying QF and other carriers around the world to judge for themselves.

Commen gets passed from time to time about the stereotypical "QF fanboi" as it were - that they can do no wrong, are perfect and the sort of person that would defend everything and anything about QF.

I do not think I know of ANYONE in this forum who would fit that sort of definition.

And a side though - expectations can be so subjective can't they? I'm reminded a bit of a regional flight I was on in the US a few months ago in "F" - I was sitting in my seat with my beer order ready. Across the aisle from me were a couple who if it wasn't their first time in F, it clearly was a novel experience for them. They asked for Champagne (there's an expectation) and were annoyed when they were told by the FA there was none on that flight. Me? I did not expect anything much. I knew what I was in for. This couple expected something else nd were let down while I had a happy flight. Same flight. two different sets of expectations.

So.... aren't "unreal expectations" also subjective?
 
I reckon there are subjective expectations - such as whether QF is a 'premium' airline, justifying its relatively high charges - and objective expectations, based on what QF promises or states you will get. Like Priority Boarding and bags; certain lounge access.

People may have 'unrealistic' expectations of the subjective type, if they've had the pleasure of flying airlines such as ME3, SQ etc in Business or First and then fly QF in Business of First.

But I don't think its unrealistic of passengers to have expectations that QF will deliver what they explicitly promise.

Frankly, if Qantas stopped or even toned down their marketing hype, and stopped over-promising and under-delivering, I don't think I could reasonably criticise their day-to-day performance.
 
This response is not intended to be iany kind of disagreement per se, more counter arguments for the sake of discussion...

I reckon there are subjective expectations - such as whether QF is a 'premium' airline, justifying its relatively high charges - and objective expectations, based on what QF promises or states you will get. Like Priority Boarding and bags; certain lounge access.

Ah, but that's another thing too. "Premium" - I do not consider high fares to automatically denote expectations of a "Premoium" brand. Any company will charge whatever they think the market will take for their product - be it the super cheap Aldi soap or your Ethiad "Residence" experience.

Or to put it another way let's say it's a big event in city X and all your hotel rooms are in high demand.. suddenly the budget Ibis or Motel 6 or whathaveyou will charge $$$$$$ but that doesn't denote a premium product. It denotes demand and limited supply.

QF charge ridonculous levels on routes like LHR, LAX etc because they figure they have a huge market share and can justify those prices, while smaller carriers will be pushed to often charge less for similar product (eg: MH)

And, if QF did not get those seats filled then they would be forced to lower prices to achieve that aim. Sales are one method but usually with some of these routes there's a pricing arrogance that must be jusified in some way by them selling enough of those fares to corporates or whoever that there's little pressure on them to pull back the pricing. Why would they when they get the yield?

And sometimes they have dominance over a market or route where they can and do gauge away (like many airlines out there).

So airline pricing is one of those weird examples where a high price doesn't always mean a high value product - it can often be ilogical and based on all sorts of things.

People may have 'unrealistic' expectations of the subjective type, if they've had the pleasure of flying airlines such as ME3, SQ etc in Business or First and then fly QF in Business of First.

In general agree.. but it can also work the other way. I've had uninspiring EK experiences (for example)... it's not always as black and white.. and there will be examples where QF may even be the better product on a route (rare I grant you).. eg: trans tasman A330 v NZ/JQ 32x series, or PER-LHR nonstop vs a connection in DXB, SIN or somewhere, MEL-SFO in 787 vs UA or one stops on other carriers like NZ

And sometimes the advantage can come down to schedule and/or frequency.

And again, that's all going to be very subjectve.

Purely on a product level alone though I agree tht absolutely there are many other options out there with superior hard and soft product.

But I don't think its unrealistic of passengers to have expectations that QF will deliver what they explicitly promise.

Frankly, if Qantas stopped or even toned down their marketing hype, and stopped over-promising and under-delivering, I don't think I could reasonably criticise their day-to-day performance.
Marketing though is a fact of life. Everyone does it and in one way or another usually promote expectation of one kind or another that aren't going to be met. I mean a few years ago EK ads were pushing the bars and showers... Say I wind up on a 777 without either.... well that's a marketing fail and an expectation not met if I did not know any better (I do obviously).

Personally I worry less about marketing hype and concern myself far more with tangibles that I am expecting to have delivered - be it published status benefits, or general service elements.

Again, not disagreeing with your points :)
 
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And a side though - expectations can be so subjective can't they?

Not when it comes to cabin crew being downright rude. It does happen on other airlines too, occasionally. Seen it on BA and VS. But QF crews are over-represented.

There’s no excuses. If they don’t like their job, leave. Plenty of others who will take it.

The six-leaf salad. Yeah. We can bash that. But no business class is perfect.

Rudeness, indifference, laziness. That’s a different ball game.
 
It does depend on where you're flying and what your goals are though regarding your "expectations"

I always had a goal of making a lifetime level in whatever program I joined.

My travel at the start of that target was 95% domestic so it pretty much narrowed the field to 1.

Bearing that in mind - I just sat on the bus and thought of the target.

And got there 7 years later - now I can choose buses, and I'm sure it'll be fun.

The moral to the story is - " What's in it for you?"
 
I know this is clearly not a universal (amongst AFF) expectation, but I think it is in some ways indicative of why there is so much disappointment in QF. It appears to me that many expect Qantas to deliver the same standard as foreign airlines, and at the same price. But this expectation ignores the fact that Qantas does have some cost issues that are unavoidable when operating an international business from a country that is wealthy.

My personal view is that the number one weakness with Qantas is that they have some airborne staff that suck. Not all of them, on the contrary I love the good ones. But Qantas does operate in an environment of workplace relations where it is harder for them to get rid of the bad apples.
 
Not when it comes to cabin crew being downright rude. It does happen on other airlines too, occasionally. Seen it on BA and VS. But QF crews are over-represented.

There’s no excuses. If they don’t like their job, leave. Plenty of others who will take it.

Sure agree.. but NOBODY expects a rude crewmember on any airline.

I also don't hold an entire organisation at fault or to blame if someone's haviung a bad day or there's a bad experience. Oh that crewmember was in a bad mood and was nasty to me therefore QF suck?

Absolutely impressions based on bad (and good!) customer service interactions can shape a person's reactions and views of the organisation as a whole (we've all seen the news reports of some sort of incident or other and someone is quoted with "I'll NEVER fly X again!!"). Personally I feel in most cases it to be unfair, but it very much is human nature.

I'm not sure though how this fits into "unreal" expectations?



The six-leaf salad. Yeah. We can bash that. But no business class is perfect.

Rudeness, indifference, laziness. That’s a different ball game.

Individual or cultural (within an organisation - ie due to training) though?

I can separate the two. Or think I can anyway :)
 
The reason why is that Qantas will be nationalized once it flops and then we, the people, don't want a basket case to re-finance to get back up to the peoples expectation.
 
Absolutely nothing at all special about Qantas. Would never pay money to fly them. Much better airlines around.

& Qantas has the dodgiest CEO, who thinks we care what he thinks.
 
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Absolutely nothing at all special about Qantas. Would never pay money to fly them. Much better airlines around.

& Qantas has the dodgiest CEO, who thinks we care what he thinks.

Airline CEOs pretty much across the board come with sizeable egos.
 
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Akbar Al Baker anyone? Michael O'Leary? Willie Walsh(a little bit imo).... Richard Branson? Tony Fernandes (Air Asia)

Back in history Juan Trippe, Robert CrAAndal, Freddie Laker, Frank Lorenzo(took out a few in his time) and even good old Bob Ansett

one of the few I think who has less of an ego, or seems to, is Oscar Munoz at United.
 
My beef with Qantas is inept & obstinate customer service that is getting worse all the time. My REAL expectation of Qantas is that when things go wrong and I need their help they will do their level best to provide absolutely no assistance whatsoever and they'll make me jump over all their obstacles and through all their hoops just to get what should be the bare minimum outcome...and certainly never anything better than that. I'm talking about the impact of cancellations, schedule changes, downgrades etc. Do I think they are worse than other airlines in this regard? Absolutely, based on my experiences, yes I do!
 
one of the few I think who has less of an ego, or seems to, is Oscar Munoz at United.

Those of who has been around a long time (on AFF), would remember the input of crazydave and even Lindsay about Brett Godfrey, from their comments about him , and his media profile, he seemed a lot more down to earth. At least that is what it appeared.
 
Akbar Al Baker anyone? Michael O'Leary? Willie Walsh(a little bit imo).... Richard Branson? Tony Fernandes (Air Asia)

Back in history Juan Trippe, Robert CrAAndal, Freddie Laker, Frank Lorenzo(took out a few in his time) and even good old Bob Ansett

one of the few I think who has less of an ego, or seems to, is Oscar Munoz at United.
Do you mean Reg Ansett? Bob was a ground hugger with his budget cars!
 
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