2019 Federal Election Discussion

[coriander]

The Liberal victory will see the end of talk of future Melbourne Metro 2 and the suburban rail loop, enabling the funds to be directed into the vital East-West link and other important freeway and road infrastructure. Labor needs to realise that public transport doesn't serve the needs of the average middle class eastern suburban residents: cars such as large SUVs are as Australian as meat pies and Holden cars.

When the libs get in next in Vic they can set about eliminating 50 road intersections as they've promised. This construction will then eliminate all road congestion in Melbourne for decades to come and prevent the disruption to our roads that the Metro tunnel is causing. One only has to look at all the major European cities where they have abandoned freeway construction through the middle of their cities in favour of more and more public transport - their roads are congested 24/7, there's nowhere to park in central city areas.

New coal fired power stations all the way up the Queensland coast and fed from Adani will literally turn that state into Australia's powerhouse, providing jobs and growth that the Barrier Reef tourism industry could only dream about.

 

[Quickstatus]

 

[FL360]

I guess a lot of parents are pissed off that the climate-change camp has been instigating a few students - martin place - skip school - city protests in the past year also, as they are tends to be organised by Labor as a key point to win....

the parents shown their dismay - secretly - at the toll booth - the beauty of democracy !

 

[get me outta here]

One only needs to know the bare bones of transport behaviour to know that if more roads are built more cars will appear on them and it’s back to where is started with congestion, pollution and frustration.

 

[get me outta here]

I had read that the jobs involved in mining are now fewer and cutting down further due to automation. Those many promised jobs will sadly not eventuate.

The Liberal victory will see the end of talk of future Melbourne Metro 2 and the suburban rail loop, enabling the funds to be directed into the vital East-West link and other important freeway and road infrastructure. Labor needs to realise that public transport doesn't serve the needs of the average middle class eastern suburban residents: cars such as large SUVs are as Australian as meat pies and Holden cars.

When the libs get in next in Vic they can set about eliminating 50 road intersections as they've promised. This construction will then eliminate all road congestion in Melbourne for decades to come and prevent the disruption to our roads that the Metro tunnel is causing. One only has to look at all the major European cities where they have abandoned freeway construction through the middle of their cities in favour of more and more public transport - their roads are congested 24/7, there's nowhere to park in central city areas.

New coal fired power stations all the way up the Queensland coast and fed from Adani will literally turn that state into Australia's powerhouse, providing jobs and growth that the Barrier Reef tourism industry could only dream about.

 

[Mrmaxwell]

Australia voted for coal power, negative gearing and franking credits...pure and simple.

Labor’s central strategy was used to defeat them “he’s coming for your savings”

Old white men still pulling the strings.

 

[coriander]

the parents shown their dismay - secretly - at the toll booth - the beauty of democracy !

Yes, time to buy Transurban shares as the Libs will build more toll roads for Transurban to operate.

 

[33kft]

Yes, time to buy Transurban shares as the Libs will build more toll roads for Transurban to operate.

NoCookies | The Australian

www.theaustralian.com.au

CityLink tolls to be extended until 2045, if Government gets its way

A showdown looms in State Parliament over the 10-year extension of tolls on CityLink, which the Government argues is needed to pay for the $6.7 billion West Gate Tunnel.

www.abc.net.au

'Conflict of interest 101': Pallas mauled over Transurban shareholding

Opposition demands investigation after revelation of Treasurer's shareholding in toll road operator set to reap billions from tunnel deal with government.

www.theage.com.au

Not that I think it is particularly relevant in a thread about the federal election.

 

[ozfflyer]

I had read that the jobs involved in mining are now fewer and cutting down further due to automation. Those many promised jobs will sadly not eventuate.

lots of other jobs flow from mining. Lotsof suppliers jobs etc.

 

[Quickstatus]

Don’t think the current MP, or new MP are old

 

[Quickstatus]

I had read that the jobs involved in mining are now fewer and cutting down further due to automation. Those many promised jobs will sadly not eventuate.

Other jobs flow on, but impeded by high taxes, high cost of employment and now high cost of inputs such as electricity.

 

[jeza]

Well we avoided getting what probably would have been a pretty poor government but we're still stuck with a pretty poorly performing one.

Lose lose?

 

[tgh]

we're still stuck with a pretty poorly performing one

care to elaborate on this profound observation..

 

[ozfflyer]

Other jobs flow on, but impeded by high taxes, high cost of employment and now high cost of inputs such as electricity.

all this talk of electricity prices which don't seem to have gone up, just people using more for air cons etc.

 

[Quickstatus]

For a country blessed with energy ...

 

[samh004]

From what I can tell of the results, notwithstanding the 4.7 million pre-polls and postal-votes that are still being tallied in some areas, Labor has undoubtedly lost the election, further proving that the polls were completely wrong. However, I wouldn't go so far as saying that the Coalition won the election... current counts suggest they will hit exactly 76 - the same as in 2016, which was widely seen as showing a lack of confidence in the party overall.

The senate count continues and as I predicted early on, the "winner" of the lower house will probably face a struggle in the upper house. Admittedly, I figured it would be because of UAP members.

So, assuming everything remains as predicted right now, the LNP wins 76, appoints one to speaker and becomes 75 (minority) but Zali Steggall gives them confidence and supply as she said she would during the campaign; along with a few others probably. But in the senate they win 33, appoint one to speaker to become 32 and even with every other cross-bencher (excluding Labor and the Greens), they wont have confidence and supply and can't pass legislation.

Anyone up for another double dissolution?

 

[I love to travel]

From what I can tell of the results, notwithstanding the 4.7 million pre-polls and postal-votes that are still being tallied in some areas, Labor has undoubtedly lost the election, further proving that the polls were completely wrong. However, I wouldn't go so far as saying that the Coalition won the election... current counts suggest they will hit exactly 76 - the same as in 2016, which was widely seen as showing a lack of confidence in the party overall.

The senate count continues and as I predicted early on, the "winner" of the lower house will probably face a struggle in the upper house. Admittedly, I figured it would be because of UAP members.

So, assuming everything remains as predicted right now, the LNP wins 76, appoints one to speaker and becomes 75 (minority) but Zali Steggall gives them confidence and supply as she said she would during the campaign; along with a few others probably. But in the senate they win 33, appoint one to speaker to become 32 and even with every other cross-bencher (excluding Labor and the Greens), they wont have confidence and supply and can't pass legislation.

Anyone up for another double dissolution?

You should have to buy every AFF person who read the last sentence of you post a drink for the misery and terror it invoked.

 

[Quickstatus]

All very reasonable IMO.
Except that the redistribution of the electoral boundaries before this election meant that notionally the Coalition needed to win 2 seats to retain the same number of seats they had. So Labor could notionally lose 1-2 seats and still win

 

[samh004]

You should have to buy every AFF person who read the last sentence of you post a drink for the misery and terror it invoked.

Drinks are on me in the QP... or maybe I'll use my PP in the terminal

 

[RooFlyer]

I had read that the jobs involved in mining are now fewer and cutting down further due to automation. Those many promised jobs will sadly not eventuate.

Re the automation ... not really in actual mining. Biggest impact on number of workers is due to the scale of mining (ie 250t trucks Vs 30t) but that's been going on for ages. You also choose bulk mining methods (ie block caving) over smaller scale - gallery & bench stoping where you can, but again, that's nothing new. Monitoring technologies probably allow additional opportunities in dodgy ground conditions. Some underground remote mining, but that's just a remote controlled machine - it still needs someone to operate it.

Fly-in Fly-out both reduces jobs - in the support towns, but also provides new ones - camp operators, cleaners etc, not to mention in the air network.

In minerals processing - yes, quite a lot of automation there and fewer people required to keep a plant ticking over.

The world had relied on mining since the iron age. Just about everything you touch is the result of mining (or the oil & gas industry) OR could not be made without the products of mining (including just about everything in the renewable energy space ). As we say "What's yours is mined."

Still lots of jobs in mining, don't worry.