UA pilot made mayday call before landing at SYD

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6.30am Mayday call sparks Sydney landing

“There is no risk, the plane has landed safely and everybody is OK,” a spokeswoman for the corporation said.

She said the mayday call was sent automatically because the plane’s fuel had dipped below a certain level.
 
On the plus side, actual training for ground crew, inc communications.

As I say to the staff here, a false evac is not a wasted effort (we have so many of them/building built to the lowest tender) if we follow through safety protocols, know what we're doing and get a gold tick. One day it might be real, hopefully never.
 
Plane makes emergency landing while low on fuel

A United Airlines flight from Los Angeles has made an emergency landing at Sydney airport.

The pilot is believed to have made a mayday call at 6am, saying his plane was low on fuel.

Flight UA839, which left from LAX Airport with 239 passengers on board, landed safely at Gate 50 this morning. ...
 
Now just have to wait until the ppr rumour mill spins up….
 
And the journalism linked above has started from the usual low standard.

“Dry ice found on board”
Someone from outside the airport observing airplane landings reported as saying “strong smell coming from the aircraft... burning petrol”

Ch7: “flight from Los Angeles forced to make an emergency landing”
 
Liz Hayes of 60 minutes fame was onboard (returning from her Stormy Daniels interview)

I am sure they can spin a " terror over the Pacific" story with Liz recalling how she thought she would never see her family again ........
 
Would have loved to have seen the 787 LANDING at Gate 50 would have been spectacular lol.
 
“Dry ice found on board”

I also understand that dihydrogen monoxide was found on board, and some passengers even sighted what they believe to be dihydrogen monoxide gas, escaping from the galley area at certain times during the flight.
 
On the plus side, actual training for ground crew, inc communications.

As I say to the staff here, a false evac is not a wasted effort (we have so many of them/building built to the lowest tender) if we follow through safety protocols, know what we're doing and get a gold tick. One day it might be real, hopefully never.

Back in the '70s when I worked at RPAH we would have to get ready a full ward of beds etc for a "plane crash at Mascot " :eek: I wonder if they still do that ?
 
I always thought that the term "mayday" was used in a dire emergency only. However, all and sundry (airline, authorities etc) are playing down the significance of this incident. Am I wrong in my understanding or was it misused here?
 
There would be a disaster plan in place that would involve various Govt agencies including nearby tertiary referral hospital/trauma centres.
These days though hospital wards are generally at or over capacity.

BTW the "Full Emergency Level 3" refers to the size of the aircraft by seat. L1 <18 seats. L2 18-150 seats. L3? 150 seats.

Then there are different "emergencies" that require different combinations of expertise and/or response
Local Standby
Full Emergency
Crash on airport
Crash outside airport
Unlawful seizure of aircraft or airport facility
Bomb Threat
Airport Fire
Hazardous material
Natural dissaster
 
According to ABC report the call was 'automatic' when fuel reached certain ( low) level. As the US doesn't use 'pan' ( I understand), perhaps Mayday was the pilots only 'option'?

From that report:

In a recording of communications between air traffic control and the plane, about half an hour later, the pilot is heard being asked: "Do you think you have enough fuel to taxi to the gate?"
 
I always thought that the term "mayday" was used in a dire emergency only. However, all and sundry (airline, authorities etc) are playing down the significance of this incident. Am I wrong in my understanding or was it misused here?
I think when calculated actual fuel after landing is going to be less than required fixed reserve then everyone else can get out of the way and you land ASAP plus there is apparently also mandatory "Mayday" . So if true the pilots were just following procedure.

The significance was played down because the aircraft landed with one attempt. What ifs then come into play such as a go around.

Would like to know that what the fuel status is when the aircraft was at the decision point for BNE diversion. Fuel doesn't just suddenly dissapear.
 
It sounds to me like they were arriving with minimum fuel, and ATC added a bunch of holding on top of whatever had been on the flight plan. So, hold and run out of fuel, or declare an emergency.
 
When on less than predicted fuel reserve plus 16hr duty plus high workload environment, there is little time to nuance discussions with ATC. "Mayday Fuel" is a lot easier, get to land ASAP. Fill out the paperwork later. Low fuel = emergency. No point reserving "Mayday" when there is no fuel left. Its too late then.

QF12 was a little behind and had to hold a couple of circuits at about the same position as UA839 when they declared the emergency.
 
When on less than predicted fuel reserve plus 16hr duty plus high workload environment, there is little time to nuance discussions with ATC. "Mayday Fuel" is a lot easier, get to land ASAP. Fill out the paperwork later. Low fuel = emergency. Sounds fair to me.

It’s not quite as simple as that. Firstly minimum fuel is not emergency fuel. He’s had quite a long flight, with 16 hours of looking at the projections, so unless something outside the aircraft has changed, there should be a valid fuel plan. If nothing changed at Sydney, then there is no excuse for not having gone to Brisbane.

His plan should always have included the minimum fuel (which is inviolate), fuel for an approach, 110% of the fuel required to get from any point to the start of the approach, nominated ATC holding fuel, and any weather holding fuel.

By declaring an emergency, he immediately goes to the top of the queue. But what if ATC wanted 30 minutes of hold, and he only had 20? He’s still min fuel, but unless he actually holds beyond his available holding fuel, he’s not in an emergency.

My guess would be that ATC had 10 or 20 minutes of hold on the plan, but then they decided to ramp it up to more than that. Unless you’re told well down the track, that will immediately cause problems.

QF12 was a little behind and had to hold a couple of circuits at about the same position as UA839 when they declared the emergency.

They had the fuel to do so, but United didn’t. QF’s plans are very much minimum plans, so I’d love to see the United one.
 
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I always thought that the term "mayday" was used in a dire emergency only. However, all and sundry (airline, authorities etc) are playing down the significance of this incident. Am I wrong in my understanding or was it misused here?
Apparently being low (less than 30 minutes flying time) constitutes an emergency (if i read the article correctly)
 
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