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Its bad enough getting into a smokers car, but could you imagine an aircraft!!! And the retail value!

I remember my first flight to Europe was with LH and I sat in the last row of non-smoking with smoking behind me. Strange there was no magical wall separating us and we might have well taken up smoking.
 
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The story was largely about failed ideas for an airline, rather than failed airlines. There are many ordinary and very good airlines that failed due to circumstance (anyone remember that little carrier called Ansett). Rather amusing to see some of the hair brained ideas, but some failed ideas did have merit as well, like that all J class venture. Many of them fail to understand the dynamics of a good set of handcuffs in the guise of a loyalty scheme. Strategic leaned about that the hard way which Jetgo seems to be trying hard to avoid with alternate, ignored routes.
 
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Its bad enough getting into a smokers car, but could you imagine an aircraft!!! And the retail value!

I remember my first flight to Europe was with LH and I sat in the last row of non-smoking with smoking behind me. Strange there was no magical wall separating us and we might have well taken up smoking.

We used to get into smoking planes all the time.
 
The failure of Strategic had nothing to do with lack of a loyalty scheme.

I assume by your handle, that you'll know far more about Strategic than me and I'm sure there are all kinds of reasons including charter downturns and stiff (perhaps unsustainable) discounting by QF and DJ entering some of the routes and perhaps some unwise investments and hedging decisions, but from a prospective pax POV, I can tell you that at least a part of the reason this FFer didn't buy their seats, was about no loyalty scheme. I weighed up my choices many times as to which airline I'd fly with, which included Stategic in the mix and each time I rejected Stategic because:
a) Ansett and Compass I and II debacles; and
b) No loyalty scheme yet, a similar $ outlay (admittedly a short term, hard ball play by QF).

I know there are numerous arguments as to why I should have given fares to Stategic, but I didn't want to risk them, to be perfectly honest.
 
I can tell you that at least a part of the reason this FFer didn't buy their seats, was about no loyalty scheme.

That's a valid reason you hold personally, but that doesn't automatically bear relation to the failure of the airline.

I have reasons for using Microsoft products but those reasons aren't the reasons why Microsoft is successful ;)

I assume by your handle, that you'll know far more about Strategic than me and I'm sure there are all kinds of reasons

No special knowledge is needed to understand the reason they failed - very, very, very basic mismanagement. By all accounts James was more interested in owning an airline than running one.

Loyalty wasn't an issue or material to their collapse. They couldn't manage how to sustainably run a commercial RPT service across a very small network, so even the best theoretical loyalty program wouldn't have helped due to inability to consistently deliver meaningful benefits. They enjoyed decent pax numbers nonetheless.

I know there are numerous arguments as to why I should have given fares to Stategic, but I didn't want to risk them, to be perfectly honest.

There's nothing to say you should have flown them - it's your money and choice.

It's hard to imagine them lasting more than 1-3 years even in the best of circumstances and under good management. The best case scenario would have been if they could make themselves attractive enough to be bought over, but that is still hard to imagine.
 
My comment about a loyalty program was not directed exclusively to Strategic and I agree that it's likely that no airline has failed due to the lack of a loyalty program alone. However, if it formed part of my decision not to fly Stategic, then I think it would be fair to say it formed part of other pax decisions not to fly them as well. Any pax airline needs pax to fly, regardless of all the other factors and I stand by my comment that many failed airlines did not understand the dynamics of a loyalty program.

To expand, I'll again cite my own experience. Almost 3 years ago now, I took my wife and youngest daughter on a 3+ week holiday to UAE for a weeks driving excursion, then to the Maldives for a week of snorkelling and relaxation and then a week in a combination of Sri Lanka (for Yala National Park) and Singapore (for a catch up with friends). That holiday for the 3 of us was almost all done on points gained due to loyalty programs of 2 airlines, 2 hire car mobs and 2 accommodation houses and included 6 flight segments (all basically on points except the minimal taxes), accommodation in 6 locations including the Conrad Rangali in villas which would normally be at least AU$1300/night (once more, almost all on points) and a gold 7 series beamer as an upgrade for a week from a fairly low class rental. What that taught me, is that the accumulation of points is not just a game to play to get the occasional over-priced pop up toaster, it can be a lucrative savings plan for the next family holiday, which is worth big money for directing my normal spend to select providers. In fact, I now spend considerably more than I would normally (most of my current flying is in J either bought on sale, or bought with bonus SC offers), which benefits those providers as well as me but it also locks me in somewhat to those providers. I'm not Robinson Crusoe on that score.

The other thing overlooked by many is that of frequency. I asked many years ago on this forum, for opinions on who is the more valuable traveller to an airline ... the once a year, big spending F flyer, or the many times a year whY flyer. I never really got much response so I guess many on here just do not know. I've thought about it and have come to the conclusion that as much as the big spender is great, the reality is that they are few and far between. The bread and butter for an airline are the frequent pax. The predominant thing that stops me (and I'd suggest others as well) from using TT (as an example) is that as a business traveller, I cannot afford for a single plane going tech, to stop me from meeting my commitments. A successful airline needs flight frequency. To get that frequency, they need the pax numbers. To get pax numbers the successful airlines (even JQ to an extent) do one of two things. They either a) offer discount tickets or b) offer the ability to gain FF rewards. A loyalty program is a bigger piece of the puzzle than it would appear at first glance. The all J venture which failed, did so (IMHO) because the most likely candidate to purchase J seats are business people who need flight frequency options with many destinations. A small airline cannot offer that. Also, many people who fly J, do so on point redemptions rather than cash purchases. No loyalty scheme means they rule those pax out and limited frequency + no point redemptions = failure in my book.

As I said, I personally think many new ventures fail to understand the dynamics of a loyalty program.
 
However, if it formed part of my decision not to fly Stategic, then I think it would be fair to say it formed part of other pax decisions not to fly them as well.

Sure. Was that material to their collapse? No.

Any pax airline needs pax to fly

They sold plenty of tickets and moved plenty of pax. When they were grounded that stranded approximately 4,000 pax overseas and voided 100,000 tickets.

Lack of a few frequent flyers (or even a lot) wasn't remotely their problem.

For failed airlines like Strategic there are far more important and fundamental issues like managing operating costs, managing promotional costs, managing cashflow, managing debt, fleet management, being able to pay fuel bills, having a sound strategy and business plan, etc.
 
For the record I never flew them. No loyalty scheme meant why would I. They didn't go anywhere i wanted to be that I couldn't get to via QF.

Flying limited routes with no loyalty scheme means frequent flyers won't use them and that's where the bread and butter money comes from.

Matt
 
For failed airlines like Strategic there are far more important and fundamental issues like managing operating costs, managing promotional costs, managing cashflow, managing debt, fleet management, being able to pay fuel bills, having a sound strategy and business plan, etc.

We don't disagree about any of it except the impact of no loyalty scheme. A properly managed loyalty scheme, not only lures the frequent pax. (and often one prepared to pay more than the unsustainable lowest of low discounted tix) but also turns a profit for an airline, and usually quite a tidy profit. Another side to the loyalty scheme is partnerships and codeshares. It's possibly correct that the most criticism levelled against VA is about their randomly stitched together partnership model which keeps many high value flyers loyal to One World (typically QF), but at least VA have something. Reciprocal status rights are an important part of a partnership agreement and workable partnerships are an important part of any commercial airline business (excluding perhaps, sole charter businesses ... which Strategic was moving away from due to the downturn in the AU mining sector).

As I said, IMHO many start up airlines fail to understand the dynamics of a loyalty scheme, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that score.
 
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