AJ gets pie in the face

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I was staying quiet yesterday regardless of my initial reaction to the story which was 'I smell a hate crime there' thinking it might very well (more likely) have to do with some lost status credits or a canceled flight. But oh no, looks my initial reaction was right and it was a clearly homophobic attack. Sad really and I applaud AJ for his very cool and rational reaction. Plus, it all makes me feel much better about having spent almost 20k on the roo since coming back to Australia :p
 
I was staying quiet yesterday regardless of my initial reaction to the story which was 'I smell a hate crime there' thinking it might very well (more likely) have to do with some lost status credits or a canceled flight. But oh no, looks my initial reaction was right and it was a clearly homophobic attack. Sad really and I applaud AJ for his very cool and rational reaction. Plus, it all makes me feel much better about having spent almost 20k on the roo since coming back to Australia :p

I didn't for one second consider this to be a homophobic attack or 'hate crime'. The guy was protesting (badly) about the concept, not the person, or orientation.
 
I didn't for one second consider this to be a homophobic attack or 'hate crime'. The guy was protesting (badly) about the concept, not the person, or orientation.

What? Of course it is, couldn't be clearer to the textbook definition of what a hate crime is!
 
Well colour me stupid, I had no idea AJ was gay. Why? Because it doesnt matter!

I hope an example is made of the pie throwing idiot.
 
What? Of course it is, couldn't be clearer to the textbook definition of what a hate crime is!

There's a massive difference between protesting a concept, and discriminating against a person because of their orientation. I wasn't aware of any evidence to suggest the latter. Has that come out in the news? To suggest all protest against marriage equality is a hate crime is a big hurdle to get most people over.
 
There's a massive difference between protesting a concept, and discriminating against a person because of their orientation. I wasn't aware of any evidence to suggest the latter. Has that come out in the news? To suggest all protest against marriage equality is a hate crime is a big hurdle to get most people over.

I think you are splitting hairs. There is democratic protest that we all agree is everyone's right and then there is outright assault - and this was an assault even if some here think it is petty - it fills the legal requirements for assault - and that is where the line is drawn. Only someone who hates would go to that extent.

What - pushing a cream pie in the face of someone? A textbook definition of hate crime? :D

Really?

And that is where intent comes into play.
 
For anyone who wants to hear the pie man give his views.. (rambling and ranting imho):

The man who threw a pie at Qantas CEO Alan Joyce has apologised

Frankly he does his cause ZERO good. He assaults a bloke doing his job and doesn't even give any indication why at the time... then lies about who he is (because he was worried about his wife recovering from cancer treatment.. well if you were so worried about your wife being harassed you wouldn't have done this in the first place!) and ranting and raving about "undermining" our democracy... umm mate, the whole point of being in a democratic society like ours is the ability to voice views - both his and AJ's and anyone else's

in a mature and respectful way you'd hope. Apparently not.

Many on the anti-SSM side claim to be being bullied and hit over the head with the pro-lobby message.. yet smashing a pie in a man's face is the mature response? Hardly.

And finally he claims to be acting on behalf of the "majority" of Australians who have had a "gutsful" (?!) ... you have NO way of knowing what the majority of Australians think or feel one way or the other on the issue. You just THINK many share your conservative values - and many do - but also many do not.

not wanting to drag this off course into a debate about SSM and all of that (this is not the forum) but this action does nothing to support the "anti" agenda IMHO
 
getting back to the pie thing and AJs response.

I am reminded of an event a few (many!?) years ago when John "two Jags" Prescott, the then deputy PM of the UK (IIRC) was hit by a number of thrown eggs. He took measures into his own hands. I thought that was a very appropriate response. Hit me, you'll get hit back!

[video=youtube;5XTiI1e-wVc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XTiI1e-wVc[/video]
 
Not a very pleasant incident. Feel sorry for Alan Joyce.

Then we shall agree to disagree. Where do such demonstrations of differing opinions end?
When some people stop thinking that just because they feel something is right that others are not able to think differently.

We are all entitled to an opinion regardless what some people think.
 
WAtoday


Police have laid further charges against the Perth man who shoved a pie in Qantas boss Alan Joyce's face on Tuesday to protest the airline's support of gay marriage.
Tony Overheu, 67, will face court next month charged with common assault, trespass, damage and giving false details to police.
 
I am not subjecting myself to reading this whole thread. Skimming it was enough.
Everyone has a right to their own opinion, but every right is limited, both by other rights and by the rights of others.
My right to equality is not a matter for your opinion.

Media reporting has consistently minimised this event. It has been called "pie throwing".
Someone in this thread claimed pie throwing had a long history as political comment.
It certainly has long featured as part of the comic routines of clowns.

But no pie was thrown The pie was violently ground into Alan Joyce's face, at all times held by the assailant.
This was not a comedy routine. it was not legitimate political protest. It was a criminal assault. Nothing more or less.

And it was not an isolated incident. Gay people are still subject to violence throughout our community.
I have been assaulted in the street, abused in shopping centres, insulted at traffic lights.
If the CEO of an iconic Australian company isn't safe at a corporate breakfast in a 5 star hotel, then where can any of us feel safe?

Both the assault and the reporting which has minimised its seriousness are not just symptomatic of opposition to same sex marriage.
They are symptomatic of intolerance, hostility, fear and violence towards homosexuals - and especially towards gay men - which persists.
Though today often it is the homophobia (not the love) which dares not speak its name.

There have been several undercurrrents in reporting.
One has been that Joyce somehow deserved it. That he has been too outspoken. That it wouldn't have happened if he had kept his mouth shut.
Might as well tell him to get back in the closet.
Another has been that it was all a joke and it shouldn't be taken seriously.
I am sure if a student ahd violently ground a lemon meringue pie into Julie Bishop's face - or Peter Dutton's face - they would have been dragged off by the AFP within seconds.
And there would be no suggestion that they should learn how to take a joke.

I am not an avid fan of marriage equality, because I am not an avid fan of marriage.
Personally I think marriage is an archaic, patriarchal institution which is inseparable from the opppression of women.
It is also a failed institution. Almost all marriages end in divorce.
Personally I think gay people who want to get married lack ambition.
I have no desire to conform to straight people's ridiculous notions about relationships.
But I am an avid fan of equality. And it should be up to every individual to choose whether they want to marry.
So I am a reluctant supporter of (marriage) equality.

A lot of you will think my words extreme.
Many of you haven't had to live with hate and intolerance your whole life.
You don't have the fear of random violence hanging over your head everytime you leave your house.
You haven't reported serious assaults to the police only to be laughed at and asked what you did to provoke them.
or been unable to report an assault because the police were the perpetrators.

You can't know how life feels for us, but you can ask yourself how you would feel if Alan Joyce was your son.
 
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I am not subjecting myself to reading this whole thread. Skimming it was enough.
Everyone has a right to their own opinion, but every right is limited, both by other rights and by the rights of others.
My right to equality is not a matter for your opinion.

Media reporting has consistently minimised this event. It has been called "pie throwing".
Someone in this thread claimed pie throwing had a long history as political comment.
It certainly has long featured as part of the comic routines of clowns.

But no pie was thrown The pie was violently ground into Alan Joyce's face, at all times held by the assailant.
This was not a comedy routine. it was not legitimate political protest. It was a criminal assault. Nothing more or less.

And it was not an isolated incident. Gay people are still subject to violence throughout our community.
I have been assaulted in the street, abused in shopping centres, insulted at traffic lights.
If the CEO of an iconic Australian company isn't safe at a corporate breakfast in a 5 star hotel, then where can any of us feel safe?

Both the assault and the reporting which has minimised its seriousness are not just symptomatic of opposition to same sex marriage.
They are symptomatic of intolerance, hostility, fear and violence towards homosexuals - and especially towards gay men - which persists.
Though today often it is the homophobia (not the love) which dares not speak its name.

There have been several undercurrrents in reporting.
One has been that Joyce somehow deserved it. That he has been too outspoken. That it wouldn't have happened if he had kept his mouth shut.
Might as well tell him to get back in the closet.
Another has been that it was all a joke and it shouldn't be taken seriously.
I am sure if a student ahd violently ground a lemon meringue pie into Julie Bishop's face - or Peter Dutton's face - they would have been dragged off by the AFP within seconds.
And there would be no suggestion that they should learn how to take a joke.

I am not an avid fan of marriage equality, because I am not an avid fan of marriage.
Personally I think marriage is an archaic, patriarchal institution which is inseparable from the opppression of women.
It is also a failed institution. Almost all marriages end in divorce.
Personally I think gay people who want to get married lack ambition.
I have no desire to conform to straight people's ridiculous notions about relationships.
But I am an avid fan of equality. And it should be up to every individual to choose whether they want to marry.
So I am a reluctant supporter of (marriage) equality.

A lot of you will think my words extreme.
Many of you haven't had to live with hate and intolerance your whole life.
You don't have the fear of random violence hanging over your head everytime you leave your house.
You haven't reported serious assaults to the police only to be laughed at and asked what you did to provoke them.
or been unable to report an assault because the police were the perpetrators.

You can't know how life feels for us, but you can ask yourself how you would feel if Alan Joyce was your son.

There's nothing extreme about your post, it's probably the best one in this entire thread. Thank you!
 
Our friend has now been charged with Assault, tresspass, providing false details to police...

I'm curious... what if Joyce's glasses had been broken by force of the impact of the pie? I mean the pie (which may be soft etc) is shoved right in his face at close range fairly violently. Would that make it worse (criminal damage?)
 
Actually esseeeayeenn yours is one of the least extreme comments on the issue.You have totally explained your reason for feeling the way you do without personal criticism.
Just one minor point I was the one who introduced the subject of pie throwing as political statement but it was not my claim I produced the evidence with links including a partial list of people who have been subject to it.
 
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I wonder how those who think this sort of thing is OK would react to a phalanx of corporate CEOs coming out in support of mining in National Parks? Supporting Trumps' position on Muslim immigration?

Yes, it does work both ways, but if someone here thinks its OK for Joyce to use his Qantas platform in support of gay marriage, then you'd have no problem in another CEO coming out in favour of any of the above issues. Right?

Absolutely correct. Any individual has the right to express a view on any issue. (Despite Gillian Triggs thinking some things are not allowed - by her - to be said in public.) Doesn't matter whether that individual is Joe Blow or the CEO of the biggest company in the country. If the board and management of the company also choose to take a corporate view on a social issue, that's fine too.
 
QF CEO cops a pie in the face

Coopers is faced with a full on boycott

Both are disgraceful .... which one closes down free speech and should both be labelled a hate act?
 
QF CEO cops a pie in the face

Coopers is faced with a full on boycott

Both are disgraceful .... which one closes down free speech and should both be labelled a hate act?

Boycotting a company when you disagree with them is not 'closing down free speech', nor is it a hate act.

'Pie man' had plenty of options to protest Alan Joyce/Qantas that didn't involve (extremely mild) physical assault. He could have called for a boycott just like those that disagreed with Coopers did. He probably wouldn't find much support, but that's beside the point.
 
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