Current Y Europe Sale - Some P+P cheaper than Classic Redemptions

[BD1959]

Hi All,

Just a heads-up for those looking to purchase in the current Y Sale but who would not normally consider Points+Pay:

MEL-LHR-MEL Oct-Nov, Jan-Feb

Cash: $1656 return
Classic Award: 120K + $691
P+P: 120K + $627

Regards,

BD

 

[moa999]

Now if only it was the same for premium fares

 

[mviy]

Now if only it was the same for premium fares

I couldn't agree more. Economy to Europe on P+P for me would be a waste when roughly double the points would get me business seats on a classic award.

 

[RAM]

Hi All,

Just a heads-up for those looking to purchase in the current Y Sale but who would not normally consider Points+Pay:

MEL-LHR-MEL Oct-Nov, Jan-Feb

Cash: $1656 return
Classic Award: 120K + $691
P+P: 120K + $627

Regards,

BD

Any of the points choices look like a bad deal to me.

Classic Award value per point = (1,656-691) / 120,000 = 0.8041 cents value a point
P+P value per point = (1,656 - 627) / 120,000 = 0.8575 cents value a point

Q not "enhancing" point value in either case. I'd buy the fare fully with cash and save the points for use as upgrades (probably some other time or for a OneWorld 140 redemption).

 

[dajop]

Any of the points choices look like a bad deal to me.

Classic Award value per point = (1,656-691) / 120,000 = 0.8041 cents value a point
P+P value per point = (1,656 - 627) / 120,000 = 0.8575 cents value a point

Although P+P also also accrues points (unlike classic awards), so taking this into account, the value is between 12,400 and 24,800 points depending on status .... so value is from (1656-627)/107,600 and (1656-627)/95,200, ie. between 0.956c/point (for NB) and 1.08c/point (for WP).

 

[Steady]

Although P+P also also accrues points (unlike classic awards), so taking this into account, the value is between 12,400 and 24,800 points depending on status .... so value is from (1656-627)/107,600 and (1656-627)/95,200, ie. between 0.956c/point (for NB) and 1.08c/point (for WP).

Plus some SC for those who need a few extra

 

[medhead]

I've mentioned a few times that people should always check P+P when there are sale fares. Even better value to be had.

At least they got rid of ASA as a cheap way to status.

Any of the points choices look like a bad deal to me.

Classic Award value per point = (1,656-691) / 120,000 = 0.8041 cents value a point
P+P value per point = (1,656 - 627) / 120,000 = 0.8575 cents value a point

Q not "enhancing" point value in either case. I'd buy the fare fully with cash and save the points for use as upgrades (probably some other time or for a OneWorld 140 redemption).

And if you didn't have the cash, but did have the points?

Plus, as mentioned, P+P earns...

 

[RAM]

And if you didn't have the cash, but did have the points?

Plus, as mentioned, P+P earns...

120,000 points vs 140,000 points OW - I'd go for the OW and enjoy the extra destinations.

 

[medhead]

120,000 points vs 140,000 points OW - I'd go for the OW and enjoy the extra destinations.

How about comparing oranges with oranges? We're talking about the cost of MEL-LHR-MEL. First off you'd spend the cash. Now when presented with the hypothetical of being cash poor and points, you're no longer going to LHR but instead you're going to jet all around the world. Isn't this a strawman?

The comparison is actually 95200 points (and earning SC) vs 1400000 points (with no SC and a higher cash payment.

It is a very easy heads up, if there is a sale fare and you're looking at cash Y fares then check the P+P options. They're often cheaper than classic awards. That fundamental premise is not invalidated by your attempts to create entirely different scenarios.

 

[RAM]

How about comparing oranges with oranges? We're talking about the cost of MEL-LHR-MEL. First off you'd spend the cash. Now when presented with the hypothetical of being cash poor and points, you're no longer going to LHR but instead you're going to jet all around the world. Isn't this a strawman?

The comparison is actually 95200 points (and earning SC) vs 1400000 points (with no SC and a higher cash payment.

It is a very easy heads up, if there is a sale fare and you're looking at cash Y fares then check the P+P options. They're often cheaper than classic awards. That fundamental premise is not invalidated by your attempts to create entirely different scenarios.

No. You asked me what I'd do and that's it.

Faced with 120k points limited itinerary vs 140k points - I would spend the extra 20k points and make the most of the flying. Try and achieve some B787 and A350 flights ideally. Get some idea of airports that I had not visited before and fly over some scenery not covered. For example the scenery flying JAL from Narita to LHR over Siberia was mind blowing (to me) - I could never have imagined 2 hours of flying over the myriad of rivers as far as the eye could see in every direction.

Another time (I forget which airline) we saw Mt Everest in the way to MUC.

If you don't like spending the time in the air then that's a different matter. For me, I enjoy the journey as much as (sometimes more) than the destination.

 

[jpk]

For me, I enjoy the journey as much as (sometimes more) than the destination.

Not when I am in economy though.

 

[medhead]

No. You asked me what I'd do and that's it.

Actually, I asked what you'd do if you had more points than cash in the context of the value comparison that you made and the topic of this thread. I didn't ask you about coming up with something completely different. No, what you'd do wasn't "it" at all. In any case, your dreaming is getting way off topic, this thread is about the value potential from P+P - "Some P+P cheaper than classic redemptions". Not pie in the sky dream flying.

Hi All,

Just a heads-up for those looking to purchase in the current Y Sale but who would not normally consider Points+Pay:

MEL-LHR-MEL Oct-Nov, Jan-Feb

Cash: $1656 return
Classic Award: 120K + $691
P+P: 120K + $627

Regards,

BD

Any of the points choices look like a bad deal to me.

Classic Award value per point = (1,656-691) / 120,000 = 0.8041 cents value a point
P+P value per point = (1,656 - 627) / 120,000 = 0.8575 cents value a point

Q not "enhancing" point value in either case. I'd buy the fare fully with cash and save the points for use as upgrades (probably some other time or for a OneWorld 140 redemption).

 

[RAM]

Any of the points choices look like a bad deal to me.

Classic Award value per point = (1,656-691) / 120,000 = 0.8041 cents value a point
P+P value per point = (1,656 - 627) / 120,000 = 0.8575 cents value a point

Q not "enhancing" point value in either case. I'd buy the fare fully with cash and save the points for use as upgrades (probably some other time or for a OneWorld 140 redemption).

Actually, I asked what you'd do if you had more points than cash in the context of the value comparison that you made and the topic of this thread. I didn't ask you about coming up with something completely different. No, what you'd do wasn't "it" at all. In any case, your dreaming is getting way off topic, this thread is about the value potential from P+P - "Some P+P cheaper than classic redemptions". Not pie in the sky dream flying.

You seem to be missing something perhaps.

You asked a direct question - I answered it directly.

Would you be happier if I had added a disclaimer?;
"The opinions expressed may not match the personal circumstances of the OP and as such they should seek external financial advice to ensure they do not upset anyone reading this opinion"

Sometimes the answer you receive may not be what you want but that is how life works.

And, as you so kindly included my original post which clearly spelt out my choice.

Buying the fare would provide the points earn and status credits. Get me close (or over depending on my status) to the extra 20,000 points required for the 140 OW redemption.

As the points earnt on the purchased flight have a value then that should be deducted from the cash cost to get a net cost for the cash option. Similar to what was done in the adjustment for points value in the Points + Pay calculation correction subsequently.

Everyone has their opinion and unfortunately they may not match yours.

BTW I currently have close to 1 million points (thanks Amex et al) and redeem them when I get what I perceive as value. Eur Rtn in J ticks that box for me - I am quite happy to acknowledge it may not for other people but that does not make my choice wrong.

Frustrating for someone possibly but not wrong.