Should I stay or should I go (EuroZone)

[JohnK]

That is past history and we are repeating mistakes made before so we are in a matter of fact doomed to failure, however past is the past, Belgium is today, open borders in Europe letting in terrorists is today.

Close borders? We are being attacked from within. At which point is enough enough?

 

[marki]

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-...sels-airport-attack/7272626?WT.mc_id=newsmail

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-...sels-airport-attack/7272626?WT.mc_id=newsmail

An Australian student near miss, showing choices we make
Makes a difference.

 

[marki]

Close borders? We are being attacked from within. At which point is enough enough?

Controlling borders should help alot however seeking asylum should not be a crime either.

Points are all over the place at the moment.

 

[Abdul_A350]

marki when you started this thread I honestly though it was a gross overreaction - I have certainly changed my view of that.

I understand the fear factor, but the world would perhaps be better off without all this radical stupidity. If you don't want to go to Europe, don't go. Your loss.

 

[Cruiser Elite]

I understand the fear factor, but the world would perhaps be better off without all this radical stupidity. If you don't want to go to Europe, don't go. Your loss.

At no stage did I say I would not go - what I was trying to indicate was that the notion that people / tourists in general may question their decision to visit areas where terrorist attacks are prevalent.

I am currently staying in RBCH in PEK which is full of UA crew - indications are that already UA are being faced with crew declining assignments to these affected areas. You still think it is radical stupidity? To ignore what is happening is far greater stupidity I would suggest.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Brussels attacks: Australian student shares near-miss story from scene of terror - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Brussels attacks: Australian student shares near-miss story from scene of terror - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

An Australian student near miss, showing choices we make
Makes a difference.

Excellent choice of article showing the resolve of those who will not allow these attacks to have their desired outcomes of panic and fear:

"We saw pictures of absolute carnage at the exact point where we had been standing at check-in," she said.
However, Ms Weder is adamant the devastating terrorist attack will not stop her from travelling.


"I'm keen to keep travelling, I don't want to stop travelling because of this one incident," she said.
"I don't want to live my life in fear."


Ms Weder said she never even considered returning to Australia after the attack.
"If I can go on, I will," she said.


She stressed not succumbing to fear or cancelling plans as "that's the whole point of these attacks".
"I'm not going to let it affect me."

 

[Quickstatus]

Interesting following this thread.

Domestic violence. All men are potential perpetrators, dont blame to woman for inciting such crimes
Crimes committed by people of muslim religion including terrorist activities: all muslims are not terrorists, blame the nonmuslims for inciting such crimes by discriminating against muslims

 

[Quickstatus]

I wonder when will radical islamic terrorists defend their atrocities as political speech and therefore protected under the US 1st amendment?

 

[Abdul_A350]

Freedom of thought and expression is clearly completely wasted on some people. It is no wonder Sikhs get bashed in this country for looking "different".

Every single one of the thousands of Muslims I personally know is appalled by terrorism, whether Muslim-initiated or not.

 

[Quickstatus]

Adbul_A350

You are correct. Most Muslims are appalled that their religion is being used for such atrocities.

But I direct you to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s

 

[marki]

I understand the fear factor, but the world would perhaps be better off without all this radical stupidity. If you don't want to go to Europe, don't go. Your loss.

It's actually not about wanting or not wanting ! To go....
The fear factor you speak of does not really exist in any Australian Traveller unless it's a child seperate from its mother i.e. While boarding .
It's more the fall of Free European movements and standing up against succumbing to Brussels central control.

Poland Shifts Migrant Stance After Brussels Attacks http://www.wsj.com/articles/poland-shifts-migrant-stance-after-brussels-attacks-1458742239

The article above will give you idea about the Schengen movement.

 

[JohnK]

Freedom of thought and expression is clearly completely wasted on some people. It is no wonder Sikhs get bashed in this country for looking "different".

Every single one of the thousands of Muslims I personally know is appalled by terrorism, whether Muslim-initiated or not.

I don't have freedom of thought or expression without being jumped on.

As for your second statement they are doing a fantastic job of keeping their thoughts to themselves.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

As for your second statement they are doing a fantastic job of keeping their thoughts to themselves.

If you read and watch western media you might be led to reach that conclusion - it probably doesn't sell newspapers.

Google and you will find plenty of references, articles, rallies by Muslims against radical Islam. Here is one article that contains 10 statements by Muslim leaders against radicals: Think Muslims Haven’t Condemned ISIS? Think Again - Common Word, Common Lord

 

[JohnK]

If you read and watch western media you might be led to reach that conclusion - it probably doesn't sell newspapers.

I was watching Al Jazeera on the day of the attacks in Belgium and it was only Western leaders condemning attacks. Who did I miss?

 

[Quickstatus]

Very interesting that the Saudis are not accused of racism, intolerance when they close the borders to Syrian refugees. After all they are of the same religion. Maybe different sect but same prophet.

Japan is one of the few post war industrialised countries which did not have muslim immigration. Seems like they are doing OK. Most of the muslims living there are expats from turkey and post war repatriation of people converted to the faith while overseas.

 

[drron]

If you read and watch western media you might be led to reach that conclusion - it probably doesn't sell newspapers.

Google and you will find plenty of references, articles, rallies by Muslims against radical Islam. Here is one article that contains 10 statements by Muslim leaders against radicals: Think Muslims Haven’t Condemned ISIS? Think Again - Common Word, Common Lord

But do they actually do something about it?
Plus opinion polls show a lot do not dismiss extremism.
Muslim Opinion Polls

 

[marki]

Passenger information sharing now being discussed CNN

 

[MEL_Traveller]

But do they actually do something about it?
Plus opinion polls show a lot do not dismiss extremism.
Muslim Opinion Polls

That article provides commentary designed to lead you to a specific outcome.

Let's have a look at the first link:

ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
Poll reveals 40pc of Muslims want sharia law in UK - Telegraph

They could have said '80% of British Muslims condemn' the 7/7 bombers, but they didn't. They focus on the 20% who did.

Opening the link reveals the following (my bolding):

The ICM opinion poll also indicates that a fifth have sympathy with the "feelings and motives" of the suicide bombers who attacked London last July 7, killing 52 people, although 99 per cent thought the bombers were wrong to carry out the atrocity.

So that fist link in the article could have gone from '20% support 7/7 bombers' to '99% condemn 7/7 atrocity'. But that's not where the article wants to take you.

I'm not condoning the atrocities that have happened, and some of the stats give rise for concern. But I don't agree we label all Muslims terrorists.

 

[Quickstatus]

Mel Traveller,

It does not matter that the majority of Muslims are peaceful.

The majority of Germans were not naz_s, but the Allies went after Germany in WW2 carpet bombing their cities and invading their country. After the war the Allies rebuilt their country and then left.

The majority of Japanese were peaceful but the Allies went after the Japanese in WW2 dropping 2 atomic bombs. After WW2 the Allies helped Japan rebuild and then left

Radical Islam in many ways is like naz_sm, like Japanese imperialism. Are we going to resolve to go after them?. Obviously we did not learn that appeasing the naz_s did not work.

The peaceful majority is irrelevant. See:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YnOF7y-KuHE

 

[MEL_Traveller]

The peaceful majority is irrelevant. See:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YnOF7y-KuHE

Two different issues. The majority is relevant because we can't label all Muslims as terrorists. That is separate from the issue of dealing with those that are radical.