Oneworld Classic Flight Reward Discussion - The Definitive Thread

[sergeyvzn]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

What makes the trip invalid? Mileage is fine, number of stops is fine, segment count is fine. 2 transits and 1 stop in SYD which is fine. Though they could route CBR-BNE-HKG or CBR-MEL-HKG too.

Once you re-enter the country of first departure - it's all over
rules need to be read, really
also, this exact thing was discussed like 3 pages ago

 

[Battymum]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

So doing it before might be ok?

 

[snabbu]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Once you re-enter the country of first departure - it's all over
rules need to be read, really
also, this exact thing was discussed like 3 pages ago

Not sure that is exactly correct. You can re enter the country of departure and fly an additional segment, as long as the port of re entry is not the port you departed from.

.. snip ...

CBR HKG (stop) (mid September 2017)
HKG - FCO (stop)
LHR. - MCO. (Stop)
JFK - SYD (stop) (mid December )
SYD - PER (stop) (July - august)
PER - SYD (transit only and would drop the last flight)
SYD - CBR

If CBR-HKG is a direct sector from sept 17 then I don't see a problem. If it ends up CBR-SYD-HKG then the itin will be invalid after the JFK-SYD segment.

Personally I've flown SYD-HKG-(10 or so segments)-HKG-PER-SYD with no problems.

 

[sergeyvzn]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

That's right
the rule says "only one departure from the country of origin"
it means that if you started in Sydney but return to Australia say HKG-ADL-MEL it's fine but you can't stop over in ADL because if it's over 24 hrs in ADL it's a second departure from the country of origin and that's it - can't do it

 

[sergeyvzn]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

You can break your journey and make two trips out of it, people do it
but it's done outside of Australia and involved buying two positioning flights
do it in NZ and the problem is solved

 

[Battymum]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Ok back to the drawing board.
although I am sure I have read someone starting in Mel returning to Adelaide and having a later trip to Darwin but can't find It t now. I am in the process of reading this entire thread for the second time.

 

[madrooster]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

it means that if you started in Sydney but return to Australia say HKG-ADL-MEL it's fine but you can't stop over in ADL because if it's over 24 hrs in ADL it's a second departure from the country of origin and that's it - can't do it

This prices up as 140k points. You just can't depart the country but you can do as many domestics as you like within the country.

 

[sergeyvzn]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Can't depart the country or city of origine more than once
clause 14.3.5 of terms and conditions

 

[coles525]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Update: Our itinerary thus far.

1) (U)MEL - SYD - (X)SIN - CMB

2) CMB - DEL

3*) DEL - HKG - JNB (updated)

4**) JNB - LON - (ORD)

Next to book:

**- LON - ORD

5) ORD - LAX - HON

6) HON - SYD - MELB.

Was told my total miles / km was 35,953 miles of 36k!.

Will update later, but had a "freak out/trip about to be cancelled" earlier with QF.

short version: booked a segment, but wasn't official. Seats have been cancelled...

Today, booking my next segment, I find the previous segment is gone. Original option was via HKG (day trip to city), but CSR rep found a better flight connection.

Flight is now back to original HGK stop over.

Only 2 more legs to go!

 

[vetrade]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Was told my total miles / km was 35,953 miles of 36k!.

Max allowed is 35,000 miles (56,315km), not 36,000 miles - so you are over the limit

14.5.2 Classic Awards using the oneworld Classic Award table must be no more than a distance of 56,315 kilometres (35,000 miles). Longer journeys must be broken into separate Itineraries.

 

[coles525]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Ouch, will need to urgently contact them on how we could do this....

Change (5) to: surface sector between ORD - Portland/Origen?

5a) Portland - HON?

 

[vetrade]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Battymum, yes you would be OK if you did your trip to Perth (CBR - PER (stop) - SYD) prior to leaving Oz for the second part of your trip. Your return to SYD would be counted as a stop.

There aren't many direct flights from CBR - PER so J seats are hard to come by, so if you're doing a J award the obvious options would be to transit through MEL or ADL.

Later you could then depart SYD to HKG (stop) with stops also in FCO and MCO. That's your 5 stop limit (I take it you're doing a land leg from MCO - NY).

 

[madrooster]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Can't depart the country or city of origine more than once
clause 14.3.5 of terms and conditions

These rules also apply to commercial tickets in general.

It's fine for you to quote T&Cs, but given I've priced it up and it prices just fine for ticketing purposes, I'm not sure what point you are trying to prove...

 

[vetrade]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Ouch, will need to urgently contact them on how we could do this....

Change (5) to: surface sector between ORD - Portland/Origen?

5a) Portland - HON?

You're making it confusing now that you've pulled PDX out of "left field". How would you get from ORD to PDX - it's a very long way to Oregon if you intend to drive? Would having that land leg really save you the number of miles you need to get under 35K - you'd be replacing ORD - LAX - HON (HNL?) with PDX - HNL but remember that the distance from Chicago to Oregon would still need to be included in the mileage total. I think your line of thinking would just make things worse distance wise.

I presume by HON you mean HNL, in which case you will struggle to get award seats from HNL - SYD.

Personally, if you want to go to HNL I'd suggest you buy a separate return fare from LAX to HNL which would keep that separate to your award ticket. I haven't done the distance calcs for that though so you'd still need to check it on gcmapper.com

 

[coles525]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Chicago / portland was out of our own cash. Flights were approx $250 per person.

 

[vetrade]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Redacted.....

 

[vetrade]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Chicago / portland was out of our own cash. Flights were approx $250 per person.

But you do not have too many segments - you have too many miles and paying for ORD - PDX doesn't solve that problem. Even if you pay cash for the flight from ORD - PDX you still have to count the distance between them in your total for your award.

 

[Battymum]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Hi all. Just wanted to share our final, locked in 280k itinerary FOR 2 X pax and one lap infant now that we have booked our last legs for June 2016. While we incurred a few set of change fees building this itinerary, and it differs a bit from the initial plan, I'm pretty happy with the final mix we've achieved (most of the flights we wanted, minimal taxes and the ability to tack on a second trip next June in the Top End, all before my daughter turns 2 on July 2). After 50 plus hours clocked up to the booking process, I'm now finally ready to leave it alone and to focus on the upcoming trip

Something else I wanted to share - we are ending our journey in Adelaide, and I'd assumed that we would be able to do this, as long as we left enough miles for the return trip to Melbourne (the originating city for this booking), without a need to actually book that as a leg. However, the system wouldn't allow us to end in ADL - we had to book the last leg back from ADL-MEL.

Dec 2015 - Jan 2016
((ADL - MEL (separate booking, cost))
MEL-HKG-JFK (CX, STOPOVER)
JFK-MAD-BCN (IB, STOPOVER)
((BCN - FRA (SURFACE SECTOR))
FRA-HKG-AKL (CX, STOPOVER)
AKL-BNE-ADL (QF, STOPOVER)

June 2016
ADL-DRW (STOPOVER)
DRW-ADL-MEL.

Total miles: 34,998
Total combined taxes (2 x adults, 1 lap infant): $1,340.71
Total number of calls to QF call centre: 18
All sectors in J

Thanks to all who provided assistance as I navigated through the research and booking process, the advice has been invaluable!

i had to had to go back to page 235 to find it - but this trip seems to have been ticketed. The trip hasn't been started yet - I wonder if OP is still lurking.

 

[Battymum]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Thanks vetrade. The QF call centre operator was quite amused. DRW was literally the only suitable northern Australian destination we could get to within the mileage we had, when factoring in the requirement for the last leg back to MEL. Ideally, with a lap infant, we would have preferred to cut the mileage down by initially heading to JFK via DFW, and back to ADL from AKL via SYD, however after months of daily checking for new award availability to check up, I'm calling it a day and locking in. Should be an amazing trip!

And then this . So it seems legit.

 

[coles525]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Vetrade: thanks for the assistance, so far I've got the following:

MEL-SYD-SIN-CMB-DEL-HKG-JNB-LON-ORD = 26080 mi

8,900 or less to search for...

If I add MEL, total is now: 35743 mi