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Says that it's designed for "pilots around the world".

That piqued my curiosity. Just wondering what you guys like in the way of watches. And what's useful for you in the job?

I don't normally wear a watch. iPhone does it all. I do have a nice Longines, but that's not for work use.
 
I used to have a G-shock (silver) until the metal band broke. Great watch, but i didn't use the timezone function very much. I would love another one.

I own a very nice designer watch that i was given as a gift and wear it occasionally at work. Most of the time i just wear my black Garmin running watch.

The plane has a number of accurate (GPS) clocks so they are the primary source of time anyway (as our times and whether we are delayed or not are taken off those by the aircraft and ACARS).
 
I have always been intrigued by ads for pilot watches and never understood what they were meant to be.

jb747 and anyone else who has been a military pilot will recall that the pilot watches the Air Force and Navy issued were about as reliable as any really bad watch you could buy at a $2 market. :confused: :(

Like jb747 I have several watches (2) and they spend most of their time in a draw and I use my iPhone for the time.
 
I have always been intrigued by ads for pilot watches and never understood what they were meant to be.

jb747 and anyone else who has been a military pilot will recall that the pilot watches the Air Force and Navy issued were about as reliable as any really bad watch you could buy at a $2 market. :confused: :(

Like jb747 I have several watches (2) and they spend most of their time in a draw and I use my iPhone for the time.

Yep the issued Air Force watch was gold - lasted me about 12 years . Brilliant. Can't remember the brand.
 
I have always been intrigued by ads for pilot watches and never understood what they were meant to be.

jb747 and anyone else who has been a military pilot will recall that the pilot watches the Air Force and Navy issued were about as reliable as any really bad watch you could buy at a $2 market.

The ads are amusing. Whilst some of the airline boys do like their pretty watches (Breitling is the most common), the vast majority use nothing but their phone on the ground, or the aircraft clock(s) in flight. I'm not even sure what most of the numbers on those wrist weights are supposed to represent.

Watch story...
Before doing the RAAF Pilots' course, I was an Observer...basically the navy version of an aircraft navigator. So, the nav sections of the P course, were very interesting, but not conceptually different to anything I'd been doing in the previous few years. On the final nav test, it was traditional that you'd be given some form of change that would force you to rework part of the flight. This was a hi-low nav, with a target at the end, and an expected time of plus or minus 15 seconds. Generally, you'd have to gain a small amount of time, or lose a minute or two...or perhaps one of the areas you were supposed to fly over is now a gun emplacement, and you need to miss it by 5 miles (and still hit the target time).

As we were climbing out to the north of Pearce, the flight commander in the back seat came up with a new time on target. As expected....but when I looked at it I realised he wasn't taking a minute even two away, but more like 20. Eek. There was no way going faster was going to be much help...the jet wouldn't go that fast (the nav was planned at 300 kts, and the max was 370k (at Pearce, both Nowra and Williamtown used 450k). I was going to have to lose about 100 miles out of the nav route, and as I was headed away from the target...I needed to come up with a plan quickly. The only way I could see to do it was to lose virtually all of the triangular route, and simply aim at a spot about 20 miles from the target, and fix it from there. So, talk to ATC, carry out a 90º right turn, and go for it. This was all compounded by the fact that the low level maps were made up as strips, and were only about 10 miles from side to side. My new route wouldn't even join the map until almost the end. There was a large tower that was almost on track that I decided to use to get me back on to the planned track, and as a marker to fix the timing. So, use the high level map until I could get back on the low level, go as fast as possible, and keep the mental maths going as I ripped along at 200' AGL. And spend the time wondering what on earth had got into the instructor to come up with such a large change.

Eventually close in on the tower, hit track a little early, go through slightly to fix the timing, and arrive over the target on time, almost to the second. Yay. Climb out and head back towards Pearce. There had been pretty much total silence in the back seat right through this, and it was now broken by the instructor asking what on earth I thought I was doing. Answer...hitting the target right on the new time you gave me, sir. Pregnant pause...followed by "xx_X, my bloody watch has stopped".

Outcome...perfect score for the final nav test.
 
. As for the bloke who wants an armed security guard in the coughpit...surely that was trolling.
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Well, let's get a few things straight here.

Firstly, it was certainly not trolling.
It was just one of many "out there" suggestions.

Not really that far out there in some respects. You have what is essentially a "cop" on board already (well, not always). Use him for security.

Unfortunately, in a perfect world, said Air Marshall would be some ex-miltary-then joined the Force cop who thought he'd take early "retirement" and be an air marshall. Not unlike the Armaguard truck drivers back in the 80s. You tried to rob one of those guys and it became a two-way pistol range very quickly.

In today's real world though, that same Air Marshall could be some guy who did his 4 week course and used to be an engineer.

Never said it was the perfect idea. Just another idea. In hindsight I had my Old School hat on.


Secondly, jb, when I refer you as" the bloke who flies 380s", then you may reciprocate.

Many thanks for answering my questions too by the way.

Cheers.
 
Ahhh nav test - not sure how any of us ever got through that, but we did (although we lost a fair few too!)
A mate's son, navy observer in training, failed the navigator tests. Must be hard. The guy went into ADFA with a degree in aerospace engineering to begin with...
 
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A mate's son, navy observer in training, failed the navigator tests. Must be hard. The guy went into ADFA with a degree in aerospace engineering to begin with...

Whilst there are a vast number of pilots with engineering degrees, it doesn't give any particular leg up in the training. I'm not convinced that any specific degree does...including the aviation ones.
 
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Whilst there are a vast number of pilots with engineering degrees, it doesn't give any particular leg up in the training. I'm not convinced that any specific degree does...including the aviation ones.

I was perhaps suggesting that despite the kid's obvious "brainyness" that navigation is a difficult concept to grasp, perhaps.

Certainly, from my PoV, I still struggle with the "great circle route" concept...

And reading Bill Anderson's book about how many of the cadets struggled with the subject and talking about something to do with trigonometry (I forget the exact term) it makes me wonder how sailors were able to make their way from England to here without the aid of GPS, INS, etc...
 
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I don't know what the failure rates on courses like the Nav/AEO and Observers courses are. Whilst they were never as bad as the P course, they were always substantial. From my own course, about 30%. It's never a problem with inherent smarts. They wouldn't be on the course otherwise...it simply isn't something that everyone's head is wired for. The same sort of thing applies to the pilots' course. Some people have no problem at all with flying the jet, but some other facet of it lets them down. I recall trying to show one bloke the concept of TACAN point to point (it would be the same as a VOR/DME point to point). He simply could not get it past the rote stage....
 
I have always been intrigued by ads for pilot watches and never understood what they were meant to be.....

straitman, in Colombia here we are bombarded by ads for some amazing aviators glasses that - get this - let you see in HD!

WTF is a high definition sunglass??

Sorry to stray OT :)
 
And reading Bill Anderson's book about how many of the cadets struggled with the subject and talking about something to do with trigonometry (I forget the exact term) it makes me wonder how sailors were able to make their way from England to here without the aid of GPS, INS, etc...
Using sextants and stars.

JB747,
do you take notice of the stars and can you recognise constellations? I'm guessting the Southern Cross would be most familiar, but do you have time/interest to identify others?
 
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I guess it's a function of the age we live in, but very few people ever seem to look up, and take any note of what is in the sky. I'm not overly interested in the stars, but I do try to work out the occasional ISS passage overhead. iPad software has made that pretty easy. The view from the aircraft isn't all that good. It's very thick glass, and the field of view is restricted. I get a better view from my back yard.
 
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Hi JB,
The BEA released preliminary findings on the Air Algerie crash and it seems the lack of activation of deicing on some probes could have led to the crash Pilots to be warned over icing after 2014 Mali air crash
Is this a pitot tube story again?

No, not a pitot tube. These are probes within the engine inlets. They probably made the engine appear to be producing a higher EPR (pressure ratio) than it was, so the auto thrust reduced the power. The subsequent departure from controlled flight would suggest that a glide was never established...the speed simply decayed until it all turned to custard. Whilst an error in not turning on the engine anti ice, the thrust reduction was a response by an automatic system. The engines were most likely still running, just not running hard enough.

On a different note, it's interesting that whilst the authorities in France have been so eager to get the data about the Germanwings aircraft out, there has been a total vacuum of data concerning the Air Asia aircraft. Presumably Airbus know what happened, as well as the Indonesian authorities. Airbus would have breathed a sigh of relief after the Alps information came to hand, and I'd have expected a 'leak' if the other data also exonerated them. Time will tell, I guess.
 
Is activation of the deicing system part of a pre-departure checklist or is the system activated in flight based on the weather?
 
Is activation of the deicing system part of a pre-departure checklist or is the system activated in flight based on the weather?

It's turned on and off as needed. There's a fuel penalty for leaving it on all the time. The later 747-400s turn it on automatically. Strangely, the A380 knows when icing is present, because it gives a warning if you turn it off too soon, but activation is manual. If you've wondered why we sometimes turn the landing lights on for a couple of seconds in the cruise, it's to see if we are in any cloud, and so might need the engine anti ice.
 

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