Why JetStar

[Jay Cee]

Can anyone please explain to me why Qantas chose to start JetStar :?:. After all, they have QF International, QF Interstate & QantasLink. Why, oh why did they have to get in to such a mess & start a somewhat el cheapo airline, especially one where you have to pay for standard size luggage if you're not in business.

I am serious with this ?, as I can see no economic or social reason for QF to have an airline as bad as JetStar. (the "bad" comes from 15 of my friends who have travelled JetStar & will never fly with them again) Personally I haven't flown with them.

OK! go for it, and thanks.

regards

 

[Hvr]

Low cost, especially low wages.

Any extras are charged for, you get a seat and seat belt. Everything else is additional.

 

[Jay Cee]

Thanks. All that at the expense of the Qantas brand ?

 

[amaroo]

Different EBA with their workforce/different structure allowing more flexibility = lower running cost = higher return.

Best to bag something after you've actually tried it....

 

[Intra]

Initially it was to compete with old Virgin Blue.... I see it as a good way to tap into those that really want to fly at el cheapo prices (Cause that's all they can afford, others want to spend money elsewhere on vacation....)

For me personally as a normal traveller & now as a frequent flyer.... Once & never again will I fly The Orange Cancer. You get for what you pay for! :?

 

[Jay Cee]

Different EBA with their workforce/different structure allowing more flexibility = lower running cost = higher return.

Best to bag something after you've actually tried it....

Thanks, you have answered my question. Lower wages, costs, better return for the $ spent. Ok that I can understand. However, I wasn't bagging Jetstar, I was curious as to why Qantas did it.
Thanks again

regards

 

[moa999]

Also because they were worried about Ryan Air/ AirAsia / easyjet / Tiger / LionAir coming into Australia.
They definitely got the first mover advantage and I suspect stopped a lot of the above (apart from Tiger) coming in to Australia

 

[bullerdude]

Thanks, you have answered my question. Lower wages, costs, better return for the $ spent. Ok that I can understand. However, I wasn't bagging Jetstar, I was curious as to why Qantas did it.
Thanks again

regards

Also allows them to operate on many leisure and less busy routes at a much lower cost than compared to operating qantas planes.

 

[Intra]

Also because they were worried about Ryan Air/ AirAsia / easyjet / Tiger / LionAir coming into Australia.
They definitely got the first mover advantage and I suspect stopped a lot of the above (apart from Tiger) coming in to Australia

Ehhh... Have we forgotten already Virgin Blue....

 

[TomVexille]

Initially it was to compete with old Virgin Blue.... I see it as a good way to tap into those that really want to fly at el cheapo prices (Cause that's all they can afford, others want to spend money elsewhere on vacation....)

For me personally as a normal traveller & now as a frequent flyer.... Once & never again will I fly The Orange Cancer. You get for what you pay for! :?

Also because they were worried about Ryan Air/ AirAsia / easyjet / Tiger / LionAir coming into Australia.
They definitely got the first mover advantage and I suspect stopped a lot of the above (apart from Tiger) coming in to Australia

This is pretty much my opinion. There is a demographic for whom QF is too expensive and would not normally travel.

 

[smeacs]

I was going to echo the Virgin Blue claim. But for me i always plan to not Buy JQ tickets and then the price wins every time. Ironically I Bought JQ flights to SYD yesterday and then got a +50% status credits offer from QF 2 hours later...

 

[lovestotravel]

I couldn't care less how cheap JQ is, I refuse to fly them except if it involves an F lounge visit MEL-SYD-MEL

 

[moa999]

Ehhh... Have we forgotten already Virgin Blue....

No. Virgin Blue was never an LCC - it was launched as a 'new age' (I think was Bransons term) carrier and combined LCC and full carrier features and has gradually moved up market.
Jetstar was clearly launched well below Virgin - the 'pincer' analogy

 

[Steelo]

I am not sure of the need to bag JQ. They have opened up opportunities for many people to fly - where before they had to catch the Greyhound Bus. JQ is a LCC - and that includes a minimal level of service - I am sure that those who used to travel Greyhound because that was all they could afford - would rate JQ service levels and comfort as a great step forward. And JQ has allowed QF to survive - as it has been able to set up a new business without the ancient award provisions that have burdened QF. I rarely fly JQ as I prefer full service - but when I do I know I get what I pay for. But there are some JQ products that are fine - certainly their international business class (which is equivalent to domestic business class) is good value - and you do not get slugged if you only want to book a one way international ticket.

 

[lovestotravel]

I am not sure of the need to bag JQ. They have opened up opportunities for many people to fly - where before they had to catch the Greyhound Bus. JQ is a LCC - and that includes a minimal level of service - I am sure that those who used to travel Greyhound because that was all they could afford - would rate JQ service levels and comfort as a great step forward. And JQ has allowed QF to survive - as it has been able to set up a new business without the ancient award provisions that have burdened QF. I rarely fly JQ as I prefer full service - but when I do I know I get what I pay for. But there are some JQ products that are fine - certainly their international business class (which is equivalent to domestic business class) is good value - and you do not get slugged if you only want to book a one way international ticket.

Because the demise of QF is assisted greatly by the "rise" of JQ

JQ has not allowed QF to survive at all, rather, the complete opposite

 

[N860CR]

Depends how you want to look at "ancient awards". Jetstar employ cabin crew based out of Thailand who earn about $350 per month. They fly 14 day trips together and have to share hotel rooms on minimum rest stops. This includes operations on Australian domestic services.

They've certainly worked well at reducing the quality of life of Australians and continued our race to the bottom. Some call it "reducing costs", I'd call it slave labour.

Then again, I'm one of a small few who is happy to pay extra to ensure we all receive the benefits of working in a country where we are fairly paid and can live a great life.

 

[amaroo]

Depends how you want to look at "ancient awards". Jetstar employ cabin crew based out of Thailand who earn about $350 per month. They fly 14 day trips together and have to share hotel rooms on minimum rest stops. This includes operations on Australian domestic services.

They've certainly worked well at reducing the quality of life of Australians and continued our race to the bottom. Some call it "reducing costs", I'd call it slave labour.

Then again, I'm one of a small few who is happy to pay extra to ensure we all receive the benefits of working in a country where we are fairly paid and can live a great life.

Having flown more than 300 times MCY-SYD-MCY on J* I'm yet to see any Thailand based crew working the tube.

 

[mannej]

Having flown more than 300 times MCY-SYD-MCY on J* I'm yet to see any Thailand based crew working the tube.

Would it be the case that they are on the tag flights that feed off the international services?
I have a feeling this has been broadcast before.

What I do find interesting is the suggestion that JQ is reducing the quality of life for Australians, is there any examples that provide proof to this, or is it just conjecture?

 

[Steelo]

Depends how you want to look at "ancient awards". Jetstar employ cabin crew based out of Thailand who earn about $350 per month. They fly 14 day trips together and have to share hotel rooms on minimum rest stops. This includes operations on Australian domestic services.

They've certainly worked well at reducing the quality of life of Australians and continued our race to the bottom. Some call it "reducing costs", I'd call it slave labour.

Then again, I'm one of a small few who is happy to pay extra to ensure we all receive the benefits of working in a country where we are fairly paid and can live a great life.

That's fine use an example out of Thailand - JQ employ staff from countries they operate in like all other international airlines - at local rates. I hope you apply the same principal to all airlines you fly on! Or maybe you would prefer that young people in Thailand had no jobs. And exactly how does JQ reduce the quality of life of Australians. I mean Qantas is blamed for many things these days - this is a new one!

I was actually referring to the Australian awards that QF are tied to - many linked to the time it was a government run business.

 

[amaroo]

Would it be the case that they are on the tag flights that feed off the international services?
I have a feeling this has been broadcast before.

Would imagine this is a tiny fraction of the daily J* network.