WP1 and the fall from grace.

[Deleted member]

I don't know if this subject has been canvassed before, if it has I apologize in advance.
I am NOT a P1, so I haven't enjoyed the rarefied air you other P1's breath.
I do understand though, that a fall in status from P1 has some benefits for the following year, namely the "soft landing" to WP.
my question is : "Does this soft landing only work for one year"? or say for example you were P1 for 5 straight years, and then suddenly your travel patterns alter dramatically and you find your next 3 years of flying barely attains SG status. would the 5 years of P1 afford you any advantage and allow a retention of WP for longer than the first 12 months after your fall from grace?

 

[opusman]

It sounds like you're conflating the "soft landing" with complimentary requalifications.

Comps are supposedly based on 3 year average SCs, e.g. 1800, 1500 followed by 600 would be enough for a WP comp since average is > 1200.

The soft-landing is what happens if you don't requalify (either via a comp or in your own right). That (anecdotally) progresses WP1->WP->SG->PS over a number of years.

Neither are published benefits of the QFF program though so cannot be relied on.

 

[Deleted member]

I bow down to your greater knowledge Obi one .

 

[Pleb Status]

I am currently on the 'walk of shame' from P1.

SC totals over the last four years were ~3900, ~4200, ~550 and 185. So I earned P1, retained P1, soft landed to WP and have just been comped WP for my 2016-17 year I assume based on my last three year average.

As I intend (at this stage) to reduce my QF SC earn even further this year I assume that next year I will suffer the final drop to LTG.

 

[TonyHancock]

5110, 4890, 3990, 3600, 250 are the SC counts from my last five years, so I have just dropped down to Platinum. I would be surprised if I hit 50 SC's this year so down to LTG next year.

My travel patterns have changed significantly...but not in the way these numbers suggest. My travel, now, is, how can I put it......ah yes...."Simpler and Fairer"....to me.

 

[RichardMEL]

Seems the anecdotal evidence is that most of those who are or have been P1 probably also have lifetime status (since 2 years of P1 would get you LTS from 0) and most of us have got to LTG so soft landings are a bit irrelevant after the first year as Gold is the lowest most of us would go.

One wonders more if QF notices pax dropping off their radar, even though they are probably still flying just as much but either with other carriers, or crediting to other progrAAms like BA....

 

[opusman]

One wonders more if QF notices pax dropping off their radar, even though they are probably still flying just as much but either with other carriers, or crediting to other progrAAms like BA....

You would think they would contact former WP1s to try and find out why they have stopped flying QF, particularly when it's such a dramatic drop like TonyHancock. But perhaps they don't care!

 

[wandering_fred]

You would think they would contact former WP1s to try and find out why they have stopped flying QF, particularly when it's such a dramatic drop like TonyHancock. But perhaps they don't care!

Never attribute to malice when sheer stupidity will suffice...

Happy wandering

Fred

 

[Pleb Status]

You would think they would contact former WP1s to try and find out why they have stopped flying QF, particularly when it's such a dramatic drop like TonyHancock. But perhaps they don't care!

All that matters is someone fills the seat. It does not matter if they are P1 or NB.

 

[vetrade]

You would think they would contact former WP1s to try and find out why they have stopped flying QF, particularly when it's such a dramatic drop like TonyHancock. But perhaps they don't care!

Given their $1.5B profit I'd bet everyone at QF thinks there's no need to change anything

 

[whatmeworry]

Given their $1.5B profit I'd bet everyone at QF thinks there's no need to change anything

Considering most of the profit is due to low oil prices it will be interesting when the world economy picks up.

 

[Princess Fiona]

I don't know if this subject has been canvassed before, if it has I apologize in advance.
I am NOT a P1, so I haven't enjoyed the rarefied air you other P1's breath.
I do understand though, that a fall in status from P1 has some benefits for the following year, namely the "soft landing" to WP.
my question is : "Does this soft landing only work for one year"? or say for example you were P1 for 5 straight years, and then suddenly your travel patterns alter dramatically and you find your next 3 years of flying barely attains SG status. would the 5 years of P1 afford you any advantage and allow a retention of WP for longer than the first 12 months after your fall from grace?

It's not published anywhere but all the former P1s I know received two years as WP following the drop.

 

[serfty]

It's not published anywhere but all the former P1s I know received two years as WP following the drop.

And that could well be simply the default 3 year average ...

Earnings in year

1 = 0 ... NB
2 = 0 ... NB
3 = 3600 ... SG then WP then WP1
4 = 0 ... 3 yr average = 1200 ... WP
5 = 0 ... 3 yr average = 1200 ... WP
6 = 0 ... 3 yr average = 0 ... SG (via Soft landing)

 

[TonyHancock]

There may or may not be a need to ensure four squiggles in the second year after dropping down.

 

[samh004]

It's not published anywhere but all the former P1s I know received two years as WP following the drop.

And that could well be simply the default 3 year average ...

1 = 0 ... NB
2 = 0 ... NB
3 = 3600 ... SG then WP then WP1
4 = 0 ... 3 yr average = 1200 ... WP
5 = 0 ... 3 yr average = 1200 ... WP
6 = 0 ... 3 yr average = 0 ... SG (via Soft landing)

Exactly. I'm scared of what next year is going to bring me!

 

[serfty]

There may or may not be a need to ensure four squiggles in the second year after dropping down.

SWMBO earned SG in her own right, not having had a single ~ earning flight subsequently she went PS, PS, NB. 2nd PS covered by 3 yr average.