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nice - where/what was the deal?

actually, i can see that you used my name - did that help?
 
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Many years ago a friend took a very expensive bottle of wine to a restaurant to celebrate/commiserate a divorce with his mates. The bottle was served to another table who refused to give it up. The restaurant offered them their meals for free and another expensive bottle of wine. This was one of those restaurants that bring the liqueur trolley to your table and the waiter was advised to just leave the trolley and go away - they had a great night
 

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Wine Australia’s exciting webinar series on Modern Pioneers will feature three trailblazers in the Australian wine community from Tasmania, Riverland and Beechworth.
The webinar will feature a tasting of three wines, including a wine from the presenter and two wines from the region by other producers. Limited numbers are available (Australia only). If you miss out on the tasting pack, you are welcome to register with the ‘talk only’ option. These webinars are free.


2-3pm Tuesdays:
  • 27th October - Andrew Pirie (Apogee) - Tasmania
  • 3rd November - Ashley Ratcliff (Ricca Terra) - Riverland
  • 10th November - Tessa Brown (Vignerons Schmölzer & Brown) - Beechworth

#TasteWithKaren LIVE: Australian Wine Discovered — A Taste Journey
3 wines and winemakers @ 11am-12noon AEDT Friday 23rd October, 6th & 20th November, 4th December
Ep. 1: The Big Australian Surprise: Cabernet Sauvignon
  • Hickinbotham Clarendon Vineyard "Trueman" Cabernet Sauvignon 2017 – Chris Carpenter
  • Penley Estate "Tolmer" Cabernet Sauvignon 2018 – Kate Goodman
  • Vasse Felix Cabernet Sauvignon 2016 – Virginia Willcock
Future episodes include:
  • Henschke – Stephen Henschke
  • Cirillo – Marco Cirillo
  • Hewitson – Dean Hewitson
  • Cullen – Vanya Cullen
  • Jansz Tasmania – Jennifer Doyle
  • Penfolds – Stephanie Dutton
  • Delinquente – Con-Greg Grigoiou
  • Unico Zelo – Laura Carter
  • Ben Haines – Ben Haines



The Madness Of The Wine Market Down Under
 

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besides their new releases, Ministry of Clouds have a Rainbow Project whereby they give away two bottles of their $32 Tempranillo Grenache to people, nominations for which close in two weeks, including separately for frontline healthcare workers

  • Tim Adams Shiraz 2017 - HH93
  • Wynns Coonawarra Estate Old Vines Shiraz 2018 - HH95
  • Mr Riggs J.F.R. Shiraz 2018 - HH96
  • NS98:
    • Clonakilla Canberra District Murrumbateman T&L Vineyard Block One 2018
    • Clonakilla Shiraz Canberra District Murrumbateman Western Vineyard 2018
    • Seville Estate Shiraz Yarra Valley Dr. McMahon 2017
  • NS97:
    • Bicknell FC Chardonnay Yarra Valley Applecross 2017
    • Seville Estate Chardonnay Yarra Valley Reserve 2019
    • Seville Estate Pinot Noir Yarra Valley Old Vine Reserve 2019
    • Seville Estate Shiraz Yarra Valley Old Vine Reserve 2018
    • Serrat Shiraz Viognier Yarra Valley 2019
    • Dr Edge Chardonnay Tasmania South 2019
    • Thomas Shiraz Hunter Valley Kiss 2018
  • Henschke Shiraz Eden Valley Mount Edelstone Vineyard:
    • NS100 - 2015
    • NS98 - 2010
    • NS97 - 2005, 2008
    • NS96 - 2006, 2009
  • Dilworth & Allain Pinot Noir Macedon Ranges Doug’s Vineyard 2019 - NS97

National Wine Centre at Home Weekly Virtual Masterclasses @ 8.30-10.30pm AEST Thursdays
A-Z of Australian Wine Regions Masterclasses - 6 wines from 6 wineries per class - Hunter Valley this Thursday
$49/person or $79/couple, extra $30 for interstate delivery from Adelaide

New NWC at Home Masterclasses have been released
Our A-Z of Australian wine regions continues from November and on into 2021, beginning with McLaren Vale and finishing up with Yarra Valley. Wine maker co-hosts and details about the wine line up for each class will be released in the coming weeks.




 

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#TasteWithKaren LIVE: Australian Wine Discovered — A Taste Journey
3 wines and winemakers @ 11am-12noon AEDT Friday 23rd October, 6th & 20th November, 4th December
Ep. 1: The Big Australian Surprise: Cabernet Sauvignon
  • Hickinbotham Clarendon Vineyard "Trueman" Cabernet Sauvignon 2017 – Chris Carpenter
  • Penley Estate "Tolmer" Cabernet Sauvignon 2018 – Kate Goodman
  • Vasse Felix Cabernet Sauvignon 2016 – Virginia Willcock
Future episodes include:
  • Cullen – Vanya Cullen
  • Jansz Tasmania – Jennifer Doyle
  • Penfolds – Stephanie Dutton
  • Delinquente – Con-Greg Grigoiou
  • Unico Zelo – Laura Carter
  • Ben Haines – Ben Haines
full video of Ep. 1

Ep. 2: The Oldest Vines on the Planet
  • Cirillo "1850" Ancestor Vine Grenache 2012 - Marco Cirillo
  • Hewitson "Old Garden Vineyard" Mourvèdre 2015 - Dean Hewitson
  • Henschke "Mount Edelstone" Shiraz 2015 - Stephen Henschke

 

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PER: Chardonnay & Shiraz Masterclasses @ Grand Cru - $199 each:




anyone bid/win?

not me - already have/had a few
 

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even the people in China are better at choosing their wines, I don’t think that price hike of bin407 will make a difference on sale, compare the 2 , the bin389 still a better wine.
The only thing I’m surprised is that Jeremy olive didn’t mention these in his Chinese version of wine journal, that would of make a big impact in China.
 
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even the people in China are better at choosing their wines, I don’t think that price hike of bin407 will make a difference on sale, compare the 2 , the bin389 still a better wine.
The only thing I’m surprised is that Jeremy olive didn’t mention these in his Chinese version of wine journal, that would of make a big impact in China.

you don't agree with this part?

According to former senior TWE executives, it was the China market that caused TWE to align the prices of Bin 389 and Bin 407, even though the company was profoundly aware of the quality difference between the two wines. TWE responded to Chinese pressure coming from two directions: (i) that the prestige market was founded by cabernet-based wines from Bordeaux and therefore Chinese buyers did not understand why a 100% cabernet was cheaper than a cabernet-shiraz blend, and (ii) because the actual numerical number of the wine – 407 – was greater than 389, so therefore according to local cultural expectations the wine should be at least the same price.

Australian readers of this article might remind themselves that while it is growing at a furious pace, China largely remains a developing wine market where a huge volume of wine is still bought, given and served as part of a process involving the gaining and retention of ‘face’. While such concerns have little place in Australia, they do assume significant proportions in China where certain wines will actually sell better with a higher price tag.

So, a few years ago, and for China alone, TWE increased the price of Bin 407 to match Bin 389. Shortly afterwards, because Chinese people tend to live on their phones and match prices for everything they buy, this change was made global. Chinese buyers did not want to see that the rest of the world was paying less for Bin 407 than they were.
 
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you don't agree with this part?

According to former senior TWE executives, it was the China market that caused TWE to align the prices of Bin 389 and Bin 407, even though the company was profoundly aware of the quality difference between the two wines. TWE responded to Chinese pressure coming from two directions: (i) that the prestige market was founded by cabernet-based wines from Bordeaux and therefore Chinese buyers did not understand why a 100% cabernet was cheaper than a cabernet-shiraz blend, and (ii) because the actual numerical number of the wine – 407 – was greater than 389, so therefore according to local cultural expectations the wine should be at least the same price.

Australian readers of this article might remind themselves that while it is growing at a furious pace, China largely remains a developing wine market where a huge volume of wine is still bought, given and served as part of a process involving the gaining and retention of ‘face’. While such concerns have little place in Australia, they do assume significant proportions in China where certain wines will actually sell better with a higher price tag.

So, a few years ago, and for China alone, TWE increased the price of Bin 407 to match Bin 389. Shortly afterwards, because Chinese people tend to live on their phones and match prices for everything they buy, this change was made global. Chinese buyers did not want to see that the rest of the world was paying less for Bin 407 than they were.

Oh, I agreed and that’s why I comment like this, lower quality wine cost less makes more sense ,TWE knew the difference in quality of the 2 wines and still trying to create an illusion to cover it up but the Chinese are also getting even better at drinking wines too, so increasing the price doesn’t mean the sale would increase.
Jeremy didn’t mention anything about the sale figures on the bin407 after the price hike so that’s what I assumed on. And I didn’t notice any bin407”hike” from the Chinese world either, I still think the price hike is just for the older vintage market.
 
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Somewhat silly IMHO. Completely changes the chemistry of the wine.

"That was the impetus," Belcher said. "A lot of new developments come from cross pollination from one industry to another. It put the idea in my head."

I am tempted to suggest a darker place for him to out the "idea". :cool:
 

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