Where are ex-QF staff working now?

[jb747]

At 1700 on 6/12/20 QF lost approximately 5,000,000 hours of flying experience. That's the time that the 240 or so pilots who took the various forms of redundancy finally finished up.

A few years back, there were 12 members of my pilots' course in the company. Five finished today. 2 * 380 Captains, 2 * 330 Captains, and 1 * 787 Captain. Only one left.

 

[pagingjoan]

At 1700 on 6/12/20 QF lost approximately 5,000,000 hours of flying experience. That's the time that the 240 or so pilots who took the various forms of redundancy finally finished up.

A few years back, there were 12 members of my pilots' course in the company. Five finished today. Only one left.

Whoa! That is such a sad situation.
On so many levels.

 

[jakeseven7]

We had a lovely and random moment occur on the weekend that I thought I’d share

Have mentioned before that we’ve had several QF staff come and join us during the stand down and state border closures. I believe all but a couple now has now left us to be stood back up into service.

So.....one of our staff was flying personally on the weekend interstate and the first officer flying the service was one of our QF ‘visitors’!!

A lovely reunion occurred, photos taken and a little surprise was sent down from the galley from our QF visitor. Can’t share photos due to privacy but apparently was a bit of a tear jerker....

Just thought would share a nice story amongst all of the shock of this year.

 

[Blackadder]

Anyone in middle management and in Sydney, seems to have a pathway to SydneyTrains/NSWTrainlink , a plethora of them in management positions there.

 

[AIRwin]

Anyone in middle management and in Sydney, seems to have a pathway to SydneyTrains/NSWTrainlink , a plethora of them in management positions there.

If only they introduce a QF codeshare partnership and status credits...

 

[Mattg]

Anyone in middle management and in Sydney, seems to have a pathway to SydneyTrains/NSWTrainlink , a plethora of them in management positions there.

One can hope they have the initiative and skills to implement some genuine improvements at NSW TrainLink! This could be a really positive thing for that company, as well as the staff who are able to find quality new employment.

If only they introduce a QF codeshare partnership and status credits...

Just don’t mention the bus

 

[NM]

Just don’t mention the bus

I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it all right.

And back to the topic, its great to seem some staff returning to the jobs they love. I hope those who chose VR are able to make the most of their new life experiences (retirement or new career choice).

 

[RAM]

At 1700 on 6/12/20 QF lost approximately 5,000,000 hours of flying experience. That's the time that the 240 or so pilots who took the various forms of redundancy finally finished up.

A few years back, there were 12 members of my pilots' course in the company. Five finished today. 2 * 380 Captains, 2 * 330 Captains, and 1 * 787 Captain. Only one left.

I wonder what that would do to the 'avg flying hours' for the remaining pilots?

 

[jb747]

I wonder what that would do to the 'avg flying hours' for the remaining pilots?

A quick calculation, full of assumptions, indicates that the average would have dropped by about 1,200 to 1,500 hours.

 

[milehighclub]

In some good news for Cabin Crew, the company has finalised exit dates (early next year) for those requesting VR. In addition, the company agreed to pay VR for everyone who applied, not just the numbers required, as they were oversubscribed.

 

[Melburnian1]

Extract from 'The Australian' online at midday, Thursday 17 December 2020:

(further down in the article, the part I've omitted has the TWU criticising the decision):

'Qantas will not have to reimburse thousands of dollars to employees after the airline successfully appealed a Federal Court judgment that it had misused the JobKeeper scheme.

A full Federal Court on Thursday ruled 2-1 in favour of Qantas and set aside the September judgment which would have had significant implications for other companies receiving JobKeeper if it had stood.

Instead of paying overtime in the fortnight when the employee had worked, the court heard Qantas made the payment the following fortnight when the worker was stood down and on JobKeeper.

By doing so, Qantas was able to cover the wages and overtime earned by an employee in a fortnight over a monthly period using the JobKeeper allowance.

Welcoming the majority decision upholding the appeal, Qantas said it had “always made JobKeeper payments to our employees according to advice from the Australian Tax Office”.

“Most of the JobKeeper payments Qantas has received went straight to employees who were stood down,” the company said.

Unions said on Thursday the decision allowed Qantas to “continue underpaying workers and manipulating their rosters” to pay them not a cent more than the wage subsidy of $600 a week for full time and $375 a week for part time workers before tax...'

 

[Scr77]

Extract from 'The Australian' online at midday, Thursday 17 December 2020:

(further down in the article, the part I've omitted has the TWU criticising the decision):

'Qantas will not have to reimburse thousands of dollars to employees after the airline successfully appealed a Federal Court judgment that it had misused the JobKeeper scheme.

A full Federal Court on Thursday ruled 2-1 in favour of Qantas and set aside the September judgment which would have had significant implications for other companies receiving JobKeeper if it had stood.

Instead of paying overtime in the fortnight when the employee had worked, the court heard Qantas made the payment the following fortnight when the worker was stood down and on JobKeeper.

By doing so, Qantas was able to cover the wages and overtime earned by an employee in a fortnight over a monthly period using the JobKeeper allowance.

Welcoming the majority decision upholding the appeal, Qantas said it had “always made JobKeeper payments to our employees according to advice from the Australian Tax Office”.

“Most of the JobKeeper payments Qantas has received went straight to employees who were stood down,” the company said.

Unions said on Thursday the decision allowed Qantas to “continue underpaying workers and manipulating their rosters” to pay them not a cent more than the wage subsidy of $600 a week for full time and $375 a week for part time workers before tax...'

Well that’s interesting. When our business was receiving Jobkeeper, this “creativity“ never crossed my mind. Perhaps, we are too kind or perhaps we just don’t abuse our valued staff.

EDIT: Ok, perhaps “abuse“ is to strong, but “take advantage” seems appropriate.

 

[RAM]

Well that’s interesting. When our business was receiving Jobkeeper, this “creativity“ never crossed my mind. Perhaps, we are too kind or perhaps we just don’t abuse our valued staff.

EDIT: Ok, perhaps “abuse“ is to strong, but “take advantage” seems appropriate.

...'our valued staff ' or the tax payers.

It seems akin to the 'do not retire in the months before June 30 so you can have a lower tax rate in effect by retiring after June 30'.

Except in Q's case June 30 came every 2nd fortnight, and covered the 70% that it would not have got back from the tax man!

 

[Melburnian1]

In some good news for Cabin Crew, the company has finalised exit dates (early next year) for those requesting VR. In addition, the company agreed to pay VR for everyone who applied, not just the numbers required, as they were oversubscribed.

milehighclub, does this mean in the future, assuming international flights come back and to pick a figure out of air, demand for each airline climbs back up to 80 per cent of what it was pre-virus, that QF(i) will have to hire and hence train from scratch a few hundred flight attendants, and some flight crew as well?

How do airlines 'plan' any such training (which is never instant: recriutment and courses) given none of us know when international flights will resume, and to what extent other nations will let us in, or what we have to do if anything on return to Oz? These factors will affect the likely demand for international (air, but also as a side issue, sea) travel.

 

[milehighclub]

milehighclub, does this mean in the future, assuming international flights come back and to pick a figure out of air, demand for each airline climbs back up to 80 per cent of what it was pre-virus, that QF(i) will have to hire and hence train from scratch a few hundred flight attendants, and some flight crew as well?

Well eventually at some point yet, but that is going to be years off, if not even longer. There isn't going to be enough work for everyone for a while. If the company is hiring, that is a good thing as it means things are picking up. The company will also be happy to rehire, as they will all be on the new contract, not the old contract the 1000+ crew that left were on.

How do airlines 'plan' any such training (which is never instant: recriutment and courses) given none of us know when international flights will resume, and to what extent other nations will let us in, or what we have to do if anything on return to Oz? These factors will affect the likely demand for international (air, but also as a side issue, sea) travel.

Obviously for pilots it is a little more difficult, but essentially the company is getting everyone to continue their recurrent training so that they are ready to fly when the moment comes. Crew are doing their annual training if they can, to avoid the 2 year lapse, which results in a longer return to work class. Similarly, they are trying to get the pilots in the sims every 90 days.