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Where are ex-QF staff working now?

Melburnian1

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...No need to resign. Why would you. Everyone is allowed to and for the most part gained secondary employment. I don't know what the future hold for me, but leaving now gets me no payout. I can work in the meantime and if my time does become up, I'd get a payout. But they will always chase VR first because QF will not want to rid itself of its cheaper workforce that it will need in the future.

mile, very happy for you and others who have gained a new job - 'secondary employment' as you term it - but are you really confident 'most' did?

Sometimes those who 'have not' stay remarkably quiet, or on occasion - a classic - pretend to others that they have bcome 'consultants' that may well be a synonym for 'unemployment'. Understandable as they find it embarrassing to admit they've missed out.

Don't doubt that many aviation staff would be highly employable in say other transport subsectors and (with relevant qualifications/certificates) aged care/nursing etc. but especially in Victoria and Queensland, there's high rates of unemployment and others working fewer shifts/hours than was the case prior to 23 March 2020.
 

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Thank you for that information (JK only)!

If someone has gone through their cash reserves & been unable to get a job then resigning enables them to cash out their accumulated annual & long service leave (if any).

Sad state of affairs - most households have less than $2k in savings (pre-CV surveys).

The last point is true even though it may seem nonsensical to many on this forum.

Media every so often quote some statistic suggesting that 40-45 per cent of Oz households have (IIRC) less than a month's savings to tide them over in the event of some financial crisis in their lives. Even if it's slightly exaggerated, still a very large swathe of the population.
 

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mile, very happy for you and others who have gained a new job - 'secondary employment' as you term it - but are you really confident 'most' did?

So was most the right word. Maybe not. I don't know what the right word is to be perfectly honest.

And I haven't gained a new job. I'm not even part of the most I speak of. You may not have seen it, but in another thread I have spoke of the struggle of finding alternative work so know only too well the rejection you speak of. I mean "I can work in the meantime" as that I am able to go find another job.
 
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Any update on how the process is going with Q? Any certainty/payouts finalised or still hanging in limbo?
 

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Any update on how the process is going with Q? Any certainty/payouts finalised or still hanging in limbo?

A330 pilots had their VR come through and the post continued to say "as did all that applied according to him."

Cabin crew are stilling waiting for the outcome from the court hearing. QF will not talk about what happens next until that outcome.
 

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I know a 787 pilot who has been *relaxing* for most of this year. Some months ago said it might be possible he could be asked to do one of the repatriation flights, but that didn't occur.

He was also telling me about what normally happens when a pilot hasn't been flying enough due to leave/rostering and having to do simulator work and flying with "supervision" to become "current/recent" (I don't remember the exact term). I cannnot begin to imagine the difficulty of getting all the pilots back to the "standard" once international flying starts up again. I wonder what they'll do with the A380/787, bring them on domestic routes just so the pilots can accumulate hours in the air? Unless doing empty leg training flights would be an option?
 

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I was served by QF Flight attendant at Louis Vuitton in Brisbane City yesterday. He also introduced me to another QF FA while we were having post purchase champagne.

They think they’ll be flying again soon, and mentioned Qantas has been really good throughout.
 

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We have had several QFLink and QFd staff contracting for us on and off - we operate in the periphery of tourism and logistics.

Sadly (but happily) we are losing some of them... because QF are calling them up as a big chunk of flying is coming on line Monday (NSW and ACT opening to VIC) and then a few days later (VIC opening to TAS, NT, SA). Apparently QF are planning on a positive border announcement from QLD on VIC as well...

They were highly respected workers in our teams, but we were happy to see them return to the skies! Hope it lasts for them.
 

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I wonder what they'll do with the A380/787, bring them on domestic routes just so the pilots can accumulate hours in the air?

I can't see A380 being flown back to Aus until international is well and truly up and running again. I can see the 787 getting some domestic use though, especially on longer routes when demand exceeds 737 capacity but doesn't quite necessitate an A330.
 

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So was most the right word. Maybe not. I don't know what the right word is to be perfectly honest.

And I haven't gained a new job. I'm not even part of the most I speak of. You may not have seen it, but in another thread I have spoke of the struggle of finding alternative work so know only too well the rejection you speak of. I mean "I can work in the meantime" as that I am able to go find another job.

mile, sorry to hear that. No solace, but from the statistics you are not alone. Have you thought of applying for a transport-related job such as with (ahem) Sydney Buses, Sydney Trains or NSW TrainLink if you're in Sydney?

I tried to search for the other thread you speak of, but could only search back for two indexed pages of your threads but could not find it. I always find searching these blogs (not just this one) difficult. Can you provide a link or recall the name of the thread?

One hopes things improve which is why we need open borders and not Premiers like ones in Queensland, WA and Tasmania acting like it's the colonies of the early 1890s during that depression. And then we have SA's infamous now reversed lockdown, and well, Victoria at the bottom of the pile with >100 days in lockdown this year (and some in curfew). So two from one side of politics and three from the other, with only NSW doing a good, sensible, commonsense job.
 

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The courts have made a decision in favour of QF in regards to years of service so I expect VR for cabin crew to follow shortly.
 

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The courts have made a decision in favour of QF in regards to years of service so I expect VR for cabin crew to follow shortly.
Have the other groups (admin, engineering, pilots etc) actually got the cash in hand yet?
 

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He was also telling me about what normally happens when a pilot hasn't been flying enough due to leave/rostering and having to do simulator work and flying with "supervision" to become "current/recent" (I don't remember the exact term). I cannnot begin to imagine the difficulty of getting all the pilots back to the "standard" once international flying starts up again. I wonder what they'll do with the A380/787, bring them on domestic routes just so the pilots can accumulate hours in the air? Unless doing empty leg training flights would be an option?
My bet is that the A380s will never return. Even if they do, by the time that happens, it will be much the same as introducing a new type, so it will take considerable time. They will probably be a need to fly a bunch of short, empty sectors to get the initial people back up to speed. This was done on Airbus’s aircraft, in France, last time, and amounted to about 10 hours per pilot. Once you have that group back, subsequent flights will be done with passengers. It’s very unlikely that it would be flown to any extent domestically.

Those that I know who have taken VR in other areas, have got their payments

I know that the ones who decided to actually retire have been paid. One stopped by for a coffee the other day. But, for the big VR group, I don’t think their effective end of service has happened yet. This month or next, I think.

On a different note, many of the pilots have history in the outback, and on various farms. One of them came up early in the piece, offering a mass of work for people willing to learn how to drive the huge wheat harvesters. Quite a few took him up, and the feedback is that they’ve all had a very interesting, albeit dirty, time. They’ve been able to get them up to speed on these very expensive machines very quickly, and the ingrained caution of bending anything has worked well for them.

A problem that many have encountered is that employers are wary of pilots as a group, simply because they believe that they’ll leave them for even the sniff of a flying job. That hasn’t necessarily been the outcome though, as I know of a number of people who have knocked QF back on a partial return to flying, as would be the wrong thing to do by the people who have helped them out with employment.
 

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On a different note, many of the pilots have history in the outback, and on various farms. One of them came up early in the piece, offering a mass of work for people willing to learn how to drive the huge wheat harvesters. Quite a few took him up, and the feedback is that they’ve all had a very interesting, albeit dirty, time.

One of your former A380 brethren I know is up there doing that. Posted a video of him harvesting whilst playing country music in the cab. Seemed quite content.
 

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Yes, whilst the money may not be what you’re used to, there is a great deal of satisfaction in not having to answer any phone calls that have caller ID blocked.
 

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It looks like this weekend (6/12/20) is the final day for the pilots who have taken VR. Looking through some of the names, I can’t see much of the 380 Captain brigade who are remaining.
 

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It looks like this weekend (6/12/20) is the final day for the pilots who have taken VR. Looking through some of the names, I can’t see much of the 380 Captain brigade who are remaining.
Heard some 'hardball' news about Q's 'negotiations' with cabin crew. Refusing to allow Australian staff based in London to access VR as 'signed UK contracts'. They can resign & pay their own relocation costs back home if they want though!
 

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Heard some 'hardball' news about Q's 'negotiations' with cabin crew. Refusing to allow Australian staff based in London to access VR as 'signed UK contracts'. They can resign & pay their own relocation costs back home if they want though!
There are two kinds of Australian crew in London. Those employed in Australia, on secondment in LHR or those Australians directly employed by QCCUK.

QCCUK have been offered VR or 2 years LWOP when it is reassessed.

Australian crew who are employed by QAL/QCCA still retain their jobs back in Australia. QAL was offering VR to cabin crew, so they can apply for VR as per their Australian role, and resign from UK at the same time. QCCA have not been offered VR in Australia, due to the lower cost base, so any QCCA crew in London cannot apply for VR.

Crew can't stay in the UK once their employment with QCCUK ends, as the visa is cancelled, and a flight is arranged home. Crew who may be eligible to remain in the UK because they hold other immigration status can stay in the UK, but flights home + freight are only available until 3 months after you resign (and this has always been the case where the return flight is limited if you choose to stay in the UK). A crew member who is QAL could remain in the UK and receive their Australian VR amount.

New Zealand based crew have also been offered VR.
 
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