What does this mean to other OW status pax?

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My point is that it was possible to fly Qantas to Asia and then to many destinations in Europe on a variety of one world carriers. Qantas has now stated that they will change their timetables for asian flights to suit asian, rather than european, destinations meaning extended transit times in the asian hub. If flying to DXB and transiting to an EK flight to Europe then it seems there will be no status benefits (or points earn) on the Europe leg.

While I agree the airport isn't a destination, I still prefer to avoid those I don't like if at all possible. No different to picking a flight that operates with your preferred type of aircraft if schedule constraints permit.
 
Pretty sure it has to be BA metal from HKG as well.

Which is no different to the current situation.

In terms of this thread, all that has been lost for a OW member wanting to travel to Europe is the FRA service, and perhaps some stopover options in SIN.

There is also the whole issue of QF codeshares on EK. Some Oneworld members should be able to earn on those QF codeshare flights. So depending on a combination of factors there could very well be more options due to this tie up.

Not wanting to transit Dubai is a separate issue.

Exactly
 
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I have no issue with LAX. I have no issue with LHR.

Airports are not just transits for various reasons. If something happens and one is stuck there for 1 or 2 days then it can be a problem.


If someone (not Qantas Emerald) wants to get to Europe on Qantas via BKK/SIN/HKG now can't. Say they want to stop in BKK for 1-2 days before and after. Now they can't.

The sky is not falling but what happens when Qantas decides they no longer want to fly to SE Asia and leave it to Jetstar. It is still an aircraft. Right?

Qantas canned LHR-BKK and LHR-HKG long before the EK deal. totally not relevant to the EK argument. You can still travel via BKK with QF and BA if you wish. That applies today, and again after April next year.

Sometimes it seems as though you would prefer they run Qantas into the ground rather than adapt to the world as it is now...
 
The OP said they don't like DXB. Their and your personal preferences do not make QF unviable for Oneworld status passenger. It only makes it unviable for the the OP and you.
And your personal preference of DXB as a transit/stopover makes Qantas viable.
 
There is also the whole issue of QF codeshares on EK. Some Oneworld members should be able to earn on those QF codeshare flights. So depending on a combination of factors there could very well be more options due to this tie up.

Not too sure about this one.I can earn AA miles on TN flights but not on the QF codeshares on the same sectors.
 
And your personal preference of DXB as a transit/stopover makes Qantas viable.

I think you'll find that I've said absolutely nothing about my personal preferences in this thread. IAW my view that personal preferences are irrelevant to the topic.

Not too sure about this one.I can earn AA miles on TN flights but not on the QF codeshares on the same sectors.

There is a reason I said "some" and "should" in that post. Simply because there are far too many combinations to make a definitive statement. It will need to be judged case by case.


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Not too sure about this one.I can earn AA miles on TN flights but not on the QF codeshares on the same sectors.

That is because AA have their own agreement with TN to earn and burn miles with some of their services (and as part of that agreement, a member of AA will be subject to possibly different earn rates depending on whether they have booked on the AA or TN code). This has nothing to do with oneworld or associated exceptions.

The specific 'obligation' for oneworld airlines is that FFP mileage can be earned on oneworld marketed airlines operated by oneworld carriers (possibly with minor exceptions). Everything else is ineligible unless covered by an agreement. For example, AA members can only earn miles on QF services operated by JQ only if flown as part of a oneworld Explorer fare.

There is also the issue of whether, in each constituent FFP, members of a given oneworld FFP can earn both redeemable mileage and/or status / elite qualifying mileage (or whatever the 'currency' is). To give an example outside of QF, with CX Asia Miles you can earn Asia Miles when flying CA, but you will not be able to earn Marco Polo Club tier points.

The same 'obligation' is applied to lounge access. Any other exception (i.e. access with a non-oneworld marketed ticket or operated by a non-oneworld carrier) is only by agreement (and there is also a further complicating factor as to who operates the lounge in question).


As far as the QF/EK agreement goes, with the two flight pairs QF1 / QF2 and QF9 / QF10 being routed through DXB, for other oneworld elites, as long as they book on QF (or other oneworld codeshare) marketed tickets flying on these QF operated routes, there is essentially no difference to current....except for one possible sticking point: lounge access in DXB.

Lounge access in DXB to EK lounges (assuming QF will not open a lounge or have joint ownership of a lounge with EK) might be only by agreement through EK and QF, which means QF elites will have no problem accessing an EK lounge, but other oneworld elites will not have access. There is a BA Galleries lounge (the DXB Airport site and oneworld lounge finder both suck, but according to BAEC board on FT, the lounge is located airside Terminal 1 near Gate 120), which oneworld elites can access if flying on QF1/QF2 or QF9/QF10 whilst in DXB, but since these QF services are most likely to land at Terminal 3, although a transfer is possible, the transit time in DXB (unless one is stopping over in DXB) probably makes the effort of accessing the lounge impractical (even if a T1/T3 transfer can be effected in as little as 10 minutes one-way - I have no idea having not been to DXB - given that the typical layover is about 90 minutes at maximum, accessing the lounge for a mere 10-30 minutes is, IMO, usually not worth it). I'm not sure QF have budgeted this consideration into settling their agreements on lounge access with EK (and the latter and its members will probably not be happy to share the lounges any more with other elites), but that's the only sticking point I can think of, and, although it is a selfish remark, for the majority of members here it will not be an issue (since many here have QF elite status, or no status to access a lounge anyway when they are travelling W or Y).

EDIT: I did some further reading and it appears as if DXB T1 and T3 share a common airside concourse (T1 has low gate numbers; T3 has high gate numbers). This all said, perhaps it is viable for pax on QF services who cannot access the EK lounges can access the BA Galleries lounge, since they can move freely about the concourses that encompass both terminals (QF lands at the high gates in T3; pax can make their way to the low gates at T1 to gate 120 for the BA Galleries lounge). Naturally, one lounge is probably superior to the other, but...... one must also consider that the overall concourse spanning T1 and T3 must be huge.


Disclaimer: All information above is strictly based on assumptions made by the author within and outside the known scopes of the QF/EK agreement; and also strongly assume that the QF/EK agreement will go ahead
 
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That was basically my point anat0l.It is quite probable that other OW elites apart from QFF will be unable to earn on QF codeshares on EK.
I am hoping that there is an AA/EK tie up that has been foreshadowed.Quite possibly mrsdrron and I will be flying the same plane but different flight numbers as we often do now due to differences with bonuses depending on airline and program.
 
That was basically my point anat0l.It is quite probable that other OW elites apart from QFF will be unable to earn on QF codeshares on EK.

But this has not been an orthodox practice through oneworld in any case. Any evidence of the contrary is most likely explained by the presence of an agreement outside of the oneworld scope.

If oneworld elites are expecting to earn any kinds of credits on EK operated QF marketed flights, they should probably pray better, because it's not likely to happen. Replace EK with any other non-oneworld airline, and replace QF with any other oneworld airline, and short of a special agreement with specific oneworld airline FFPs, we are at the exact same conclusion.

As it stands, you're right that AA/EK are also in discussions. So at least for the AA elites, there is a decent bit of flexibility to be had if that gets up (that said, it's likely you would need to book on the AA marketed code).
 
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As it stands, you're right that AA/EK are also in discussions. So at least for the AA elites, there is a decent bit of flexibility to be had if that gets up (that said, it's likely you would need to book on the AA marketed code).

The interesting thing is that AA and QF seem to get along (i.e. lounge access for QP and AC members) so the relationship seems cosier than BA/QF. The conspiracy theorist in me just thought that the reason EK tied up with QF was not to access the QF DOM market but the AA DOM market :shock: - they get to test out the alliance first with QF and then have a nice lead in to QF's septic mates...
 
But this has not been an orthodox practice through oneworld in any case. Any evidence of the contrary is most likely explained by the presence of an agreement outside of the oneworld scope.

If oneworld elites are expecting to earn any kinds of credits on EK operated QF marketed flights, they should probably pray better, because it's not likely to happen. Replace EK with any other non-oneworld airline, and replace QF with any other oneworld airline, and short of a special agreement with specific oneworld airline FFPs, we are at the exact same conclusion.

Like AS/AA? I'm sure if we go through the airline earning table similar anomalies can be found.


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The interesting thing is that AA and QF seem to get along (i.e. lounge access for QP and AC members) so the relationship seems cosier than BA/QF. The conspiracy theorist in me just thought that the reason EK tied up with QF was not to access the QF DOM market but the AA DOM market :shock: - they get to test out the alliance first with QF and then have a nice lead in to QF's septic mates...

Interesting theory that could just have a grain of truth.
Just out of interest Ben Sandilands today has some of the most ridiculous speculation re the EK/QF tie up.He speculates if IAG buys into AA they will some how get this deal or QF ditched-forgetting that under US law they cant have a majority stake and BA/IB/AA already have a joint business agreement in place.
He then says US is the favourite to merge or take over AA and US have no desire to go with OW-despite their CEO many times saying that the merged group would remain with OW.
QF/EK deal would be complicated by BA/AA bid | Plane Talking

Me thinks the QF aversion clouds his perception.
 
Sometimes it seems as though you would prefer they run Qantas into the ground rather than adapt to the world as it is now...
You know that is not what I want.

I was hoping it did not come down to this though. First Jetstar and now a codeshare arrangement where Qantas does not need to fly their own aircraft. May as well just rename Qantas Airways to Qantas Holding Company and I should simply sit back and say "Wow. All these viable options to get to Europe"....
 
You know that is not what I want.

I was hoping it did not come down to this though. First Jetstar and now a codeshare arrangement where Qantas does not need to fly their own aircraft. May as well just rename Qantas Airways to Qantas Holding Company and I should simply sit back and say "Wow. All these viable options to get to Europe"....

? Qantas are flying their own aircraft to London twice a day, just as they do now. There is a reason why the European airlines other than BA and VS do not fly to Australia anymore. There is no money in it and they leave it to the midpoint carriers with codeshares to Australia where they can.
 
I should simply sit back and say "Wow. All these viable options to get to Europe"....

no one is asking you to do that either. Simply stating there is no need to make this into something it isn't, in either direction.


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