What curfew? Jets by dozen break ban

[JohnK]

I am going to have to stern word to my parents for buying a house not even considered remotely close to the airport over 30 years ago and they were not not even be able to predict that there would be so many flights today let alone predicting that a federal liberal government would be in power over the last 10 years and alter all the flight paths so that labour electorates get the majority of the noise pollution.

While I am at it I am going to blast them for not buying $1,000 worth of shares in IBM, when they had no money for clothes or food let alone understand that a stock market existed, 20 years before I was born because we would now be multi-billionaires many times over.

 

[bravoecho1]

I could think of better shares to buy than a $1000 of IBM back in those days :mrgreen:

(wanders off dreaming)

 

[markis10]

In the context of this discussion re delaying your depature, last night was a good example of how other factors can affect your arrival time, QF6 left Singapore 5 minutes after BA15, yet QF6 landed at 5.15 whilst BA15 landed at 5.40!

 

[Alan in CBR]

Re: the suggestion for the LHR and LAX flights to depart a couple of hours later to avoid early arrival.

The problem with this is that the departures from both of those airports are already really late at night. Making them two hours later would break Heathrow's curfew. Not sure if LAX has a curfew, but it would make for an after-midnight departure, which wouldn't be nice.

 

[Dave Noble]

Re: the suggestion for the LHR and LAX flights to depart a couple of hours later to avoid early arrival.

The problem with this is that the departures from both of those airports are already really late at night. Making them two hours later would break Heathrow's curfew. Not sure if LAX has a curfew, but it would make for an after-midnight departure, which wouldn't be nice.

The BA flights could easily leave an hour later at around the same time as the QF one. They could then have an extra hour at BKK/SIN and arrive nicely. Alternatively, they could do more civilised flights like the flight that heads out of LHR at around noon arriving into Oz in the evening

Dave

 

[oz_mark]

Why? The flight can leave later from its destination or , if strong tailwinds, slow down so that its groundspeed is that which was planned . No good reason to breach curfew conditions. People in the area have a reasonable expectation of ability to sleep at night

Dave

Why? They choose to live near an airport?

 

[Alan in CBR]

The BA flights could easily leave an hour later at around the same time as the QF one. They could then have an extra hour at BKK/SIN and arrive nicely. Alternatively, they could do more civilised flights like the flight that heads out of LHR at around noon arriving into Oz in the evening

Dave

Actually I quite like the idea of a longer layover in BKK/SIN. More time for a shower and refreshment, or a walk around the terminal.

The problem with the noon flight out of LHR is that it arrives in SYD too late to connect with the last CBR flight. I realise that's my problem and not anyone else's, but I'm guessing pax connecting to other destinations may have a similar issue.

 

[Dave Noble]

The problem with the noon flight out of LHR is that it arrives in SYD too late to connect with the last CBR flight. I realise that's my problem and not anyone else's, but I'm guessing pax connecting to other destinations may have a similar issue.

Actually it arrives at this time of year at 18:50 giving plenty of time to connect to QF807 to CBR.

Dave

 

[dajop]

I am not sure which runway is 34L, I assume it is the original north-south runway. If I recall correctly the fuss about airport noise at SYD (apart from the usual crowd of NIMBYs) was mainly about the construction of the second N-S runway, as it meant use of flight paths that weren't already factored in by occupants who lived under them (thereby negating arguments about cheap rent/property because under flight path). But if the flights are landing on 34L before curfew I really don't see the big deal - that runway has been there for years.

Now if anyone seriously suggests a curfew at MEL, that would be a complete joke. Flight paths have been marked on the Melways for as long as I can remember, and people taking advantage of cheap real estate in developments near the airport or under the flight path .... well tough. No sympathy. (for the record I often hear the post midnight departures from MEL overhead if I'm still awake, but they never wake me. Something that can't be said for cars climbing the hill and accelerating around the corner, or drunken people coming home after midnight).

 

[Nobby]

Two related questions:

1. Why can't all/most flights approach the airport from the water, rather than from the Inner West?

2. Where does that Noise Levy we pay every ticket going? All I know is it doesn't end up as a yearly cheque to residents on the flight path

 

[serfty]

Two related questions:

1. Why can't all/most flights approach the airport from the water, rather than from the Inner West?

2. Where does that Noise Levy we pay every ticket going? All I know is it doesn't end up as a yearly cheque to residents on the flight path

WX conditions esp. WIND will answer your first question. For the second, IIIRC there is (or was) some process where people of affected properties can apply to get sound proofing type work performed, either through a $$ grant or a special buildings unit doing the work.

 

[NM]

Not sure if LAX has a curfew, but it would make for an after-midnight departure, which wouldn't be nice.

Given that my CX881 flight last week was scheduled for a 1:55am departure, I think we can rule out a curfew at LAX.

 

[NM]

Two related questions:

1. Why can't all/most flights approach the airport from the water, rather than from the Inner West?

Because aircraft need to approach into the wind to reduce the ground-speed for landing. Down-wind landings require more runway length to stop, cause more break and tire wear, and increase the safety risk due to the higher landing speed.

2. Where does that Noise Levy we pay every ticket going? All I know is it doesn't end up as a yearly cheque to residents on the flight path

It was supposed to be used to cover the payments the government made to house owners in the affected areas to insulate their residences. Just how much was paid and how long it will take to recoup the costs is probably very difficult to determine.

 

[Yada Yada]

Given that my CX881 flight last week was scheduled for a 1:55am departure, I think we can rule out a curfew at LAX.

Definitiely. I've stayed a number of times at LAX Hilton in a room on one of the top floors facing the runways. It never stops there, and can be quite entertaining watching the passing parade of aircraft.