Western Sydney Airport (WSI) Discussion

[Aeryn]

For a while when you would search flight to MEL on QF they would naughtily include AVV flights. Thankfully that nonsense stopped about 18 months later, they must have got lots of complaints, AVV is not practical for a trip to Melbourne CBD just like WSI is not practical for a visit to Sydney CBD.

So hopefully when you search for flight to SYD you will only see SYD flights. They could introduce a new code for greater SYD that includes both SYD and WSI as seen on some travel sites that have NYC (and see LGA and JFK) or LON (and see LHR, LGW, LCY) but I'll be miffed if in searching for SYD the results are polluted with WSI flights.

 

[dajop]

Ah well there's always those who book a flight to YQY which even less practical for a visit to the Sydney CBD we're talking about on this thread

 

[Warragul]

They could introduce a new code for greater SYD that includes both SYD and WSI as seen on some travel sites that have NYC (and see LGA and JFK) or LON (and see LHR, LGW, LCY) but I'll be miffed if in searching for SYD the results are polluted with WSI flights.

I reckon seraches for SYD will include WSI they will for a while until it becomes widely known (outside of Australia mainly) that WSI exists. Are you miffed that flight searches for JFK on the qantas website include LGA and EWR or is having all the options on one screen better?If the airport is clearly shown the I'd vote for all of the choices, but understand why some wouldn't

Who knows those polluted flights might be a better proposition for some.

 

[moa999]

According to this IATA page SYD does double duty as a Metropolitan code and a specific airport.

Airline and Airport Code Search

Official directory of IATA codes used by airlines and airports, including IATA 3-letter and 2-letter codes.

www.iata.org

Surprised NZ announced day before holidays, generally a bit of a media black hole.

 

[Aeryn]

I search by airporr code, having previously used LGA, JFK and EWR i know i prefer to fly from JFK cause its a simpler and easier commute from where i stay and has nicer lounges for a OWE.

So if i type JFK dont gove me EWR (which isnt even in NYC, its a 4 connection ride to Jersey - 2 subways, nj transit plus air train), if i type SYD give me only SYD not WSI or NTL, if I type MEL dont give me AVV.

There needs to be a tick-box to include /exclude "nearby" airports, i dont consider WSI even remotely near SYD. If i search for BNE i dont expect to see OOL flights same thing.

 

[aamslfc]

I'd take day 1 pricing with a grain of salt. For example AY's day one pricing for MEL-BKK-HEL wasn't that attractive either.

You can't run *sales* and promos against a discounted base price.

I mean, SQ launched with extremely competitive sale fares which a) were almost on par with pre-COVID fares, and b) were incredible value given SQ's recent pricing structure.

I also thought AY's launch fares for MEL-BKK were pretty good in J, but I guess that's a bit more subjective.

As for base price, NZ's hardly that much cheaper than QF, and the alleged "discounted" part equates to a road toll outbound and a credit card processing fee inbound.

Some discount on the base price, indeed.

 

[aamslfc]

Better than NO flights to NZ though.

I mean, did Western Sydney residents want flights to NZ?

I'd have thought the locals would prefer a nicely-timed Bogan Bus to Bali (but I guess this depends on bilateral rights).

It'll be interesting to see if a) NZ overcome their ridiculous fleet issues to run the flights, b) WSI has the petrol to fill A320 tanks, and c) if loads are ok over the summer holidays.

I suspect that NZ put a minimum schedule out to qualify for WSI subsidies from the government?

Probably that, and low expected early patronage.

When will QF/JQ announce their schedules?

When pigs fly over the white elephant, presumably.

 

[Saab34]

They might do what they did at Avalon and move a couple of DPS services over per week while picking up some incentives/funding alongside.

 

[dajop]

So if i type JFK dont gove me EWR (which isnt even in NYC, its a 4 connection ride to Jersey - 2 subways, nj transit plus air train), if i type SYD give me only SYD not WSI or NTL, if I type MEL dont give me AVV.

There needs to be a tick-box to include /exclude "nearby" airports, i dont consider WSI even remotely near SYD. If i search for BNE i dont expect to see OOL flights same thing.

I think for domestic, it's going to need to be differentiated.

For SQ, they're building an extra schedule offering (time wise) with all these extra connections from the Sydney metro area that they simply didn't offer at that time of day. Of course it's reasonable for them to include it in Sydney. As long as it's clear that it is from or to WSI.

Also, if you're travelling to MEL or BNE and have to add an hour or so to your journey to get to WSI it is significant. If you're travelling to BOM or KIX or further to LHR then that hour or so extra isn't quite so significant.

 

[Warragul]

There needs to be a tick-box to include /exclude "nearby" airports

Agree 100%. An optional 'exact' match search based on airport code

 

[justinbrett]

I search by airporr code, having previously used LGA, JFK and EWR i know i prefer to fly from JFK cause its a simpler and easier commute from where i stay and has nicer lounges for a OWE.

So if i type JFK dont gove me EWR (which isnt even in NYC, its a 4 connection ride to Jersey - 2 subways, nj transit plus air train), if i type SYD give me only SYD not WSI or NTL, if I type MEL dont give me AVV.

There needs to be a tick-box to include /exclude "nearby" airports, i dont consider WSI even remotely near SYD. If i search for BNE i dont expect to see OOL flights same thing.

It's up to the airline how they implement the codes - QF doesn't let you search by metro codes, but for most locations will expand searches to co-terminals (eg HND will include NRT, LHR will include LGW).

JQ uses “VIZ” as the metro code for Melbourne, which appears to be made up (doesn’t appear in the IATA database) and the metro code should be MEL.

I’m 100% sure Australian airlines will split the results for SYD and WSI.

 

[LionKing]

Western Sydney International Airport (WSI)

Airservices Australia is supporting Western Sydney International (Nancy-Bird Walton) Airport (WSI) in their quest to be a world-class smart airport, built to service 10 million passengers per year from day one when it opens in 2026. The Minister for Infrastructure,

engage.airservicesaustralia.com

As per the image above, WSI is having flight commissing runs next weekend, I wonder whether that would be the time where Qantas will announce flights for WSI.

I really hope Qantas will introduce flights leaving Melbourne and Brisbane at 10pm and 11pm for WSI, and also a 6pm departure from Perth for WSI, and 4.30am departure for PER, 5.30am departure for ADL and 5am departure for MEL and BNE. This will allow Sydneysiders to connect with Cathay Pacific and Malaysian Airlines services departing from MEL, BNE, ADL, PER in the morning, arriving in those airports in the evening, further improved connectivity for Turkish Airlines flights from Istanbul via Singapore.

Qantas should also launch 1am and 4am or 5am departure from WSI to AKL, which will allow premium Business travellers to arrive AKL in the morning, avoid overnight stays in Auckland for morning meetings, and properly connect Cathay Pacific CX198 and Fiji Airways FJ410 to Asia and Pacific region.

 

[Aeryn]

Qantas should also launch 1am and 4am or 5am departure from WSI to AKL

Impractical unless you plan to drive to WSI. Trains don't run between midnight and 5am. I wouldn't fancy a 9am business meeting in Auckland after travelling all night to get there. Better to fly night before get a good sleep at hotel and be fresh for the meeting, as the flight is too short to get sleep on the flight and no lay flat options anyway. Of course YMMV.

As for connecting with CX and MH interstate why is this necessary? Both those airlines already fly from SYD, just adding expense.

 

[LionKing]

Impractical unless you plan to drive to WSI. Trains don't run between midnight and 5am.

As for connecting with CX and MH interstate why is this necessary? Both those airlines already fly from SYD, just adding expense.

Why we need trains when Uber will do the job for us, and earn up to 12 Qantas points per dollar spent?

It is necessary to connect CX and MH interstate because of schedule flexibility and price flexibility.

Cathay Pacific sells up to $2000 cheaper ex-AKL than ex-SYD, and earns up to 80 Status Credits more than ex-SYD.

 

[jase05]

This will allow Sydneysiders to connect with Cathay Pacific and Malaysian Airlines services departing from MEL, BNE, ADL, PER in the morning, arriving in those airports in the evening, further improved connectivity for Turkish Airlines flights from Istanbul via Singapore.

Am I missing something?
Sydneysiders already have morning services with CX and MH so why would they get up to catch a redeye to MEL, ADL or PER?

 

[jakob]

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Western Sydney International Airport (WSI)

Airservices Australia is supporting Western Sydney International (Nancy-Bird Walton) Airport (WSI) in their quest to be a world-class smart airport, built to service 10 million passengers per year from day one when it opens in 2026. The Minister for Infrastructure,

engage.airservicesaustralia.com

As per the image above, WSI is having flight commissing runs next weekend, I wonder whether that would be the time where Qantas will announce flights for WSI.

I really hope Qantas will introduce flights leaving Melbourne and Brisbane at 10pm and 11pm for WSI, and also a 6pm departure from Perth for WSI, and 4.30am departure for PER, 5.30am departure for ADL and 5am departure for MEL and BNE. This will allow Sydneysiders to connect with Cathay Pacific and Malaysian Airlines services departing from MEL, BNE, ADL, PER in the morning, arriving in those airports in the evening, further improved connectivity for Turkish Airlines flights from Istanbul via Singapore.

Qantas should also launch 1am and 4am or 5am departure from WSI to AKL, which will allow premium Business travellers to arrive AKL in the morning, avoid overnight stays in Auckland for morning meetings, and properly connect Cathay Pacific CX198 and Fiji Airways FJ410 to Asia and Pacific region.

I do think a 6pm PER-WSI would be quite handy... much much better than a red-eye if you need to be functional in Sydney the next day but also need to work in Perth the departure day...

 

[LionKing]

Am I missing something?
Sydneysiders already have morning services with CX and MH so why would they get up to catch a redeye to MEL, ADL or PER?

ADL and PER earns 60 Qantas Status Credits on MH and CX more than leaving SYD and MEL.
Also, it is about flexibility, the SYD day flight from KUL and HKG are before 9am, so what about if you have a 8-9am arrival into KUL and HKG, then you have to wait for the whole day and endure a night flight?
Even if I am not talking about international transfers, 9pm last flight into SYD ex-MEL and 7.50pm ex-BNE is unacceptable, especially for BNE. How can someone work or have a function in Brisbane until 9pm able to come back to Sydney same day, especially for those who have busy schedules?
I really think a 10pm and 11pm departure from BNE and MEL into WSI would be a great alternative for business people and workers who need to leave BNE and MEL late into Sydney basin.

 

[jb747]

Hopefully this is going to be a great airport. There aren’t any in Oz right now, so it would be nice to see. But, it one way is has fulfilled a prediction that I made, way back when it was announced that they were thinking about having a meeting to see if they need to even consider it. I figured that this being Oz, by the time it happened I would be long retired. And I was right. And that call was something in the order of 30 years ago.

 

[LionKing]

Hopefully this is going to be a great airport. There aren’t any in Oz right now, so it would be nice to see. But, it one way is has fulfilled a prediction that I made, way back when it was announced that they were thinking about having a meeting to see if they need to even consider it. I figured that this being Oz, by the time it happened I would be long retired. And I was right. And that call was something in the order of 30 years ago.

I think WSI as a start can not only fulfill those living in Western Sydney, but also can be a great airport for airlines to supplement SYD with its high landing fees, slot contraints and curfew.

My first hope for WSI is that, come NW26 season, the 6pm cinderella rush to Brisbane airport in Australia summer will be over with new 9pm and 10pm departures ex-BNE to WSI.

 

[Saab34]

My first hope for WSI is that, come NW26 season, the 6pm cinderella rush to Brisbane airport in Australia summer will be over with new 9pm and 10pm departures ex-BNE to WSI.

Same with Perth, a 6/7pm departure PER-WSI would suit many to avoid the redeye, at the moment the last flight leaves Perth around 4 ish.

I’d expect few trials on schedules to see where demand sits easily for later flights, ie would a 11pm WSI-MEL work on a Fri/Sunday evenings?