Updated Air Services agreement between Australia and Indonesia

[Aussie_flyer]

WSI -DPS not PER.

DPS-SYD-MEL vs DPS-MEL is double the travel time is my point, with barely any time to sleep anyway it's not worth the detour for the A330 imo

 

[Saab34]

Still no application from VA. They close on Monday.

 

[Harrison_133]

Virgin's application is up.

They've requested 5086 seats to be used for:

MEL-DPS extra 4 weekly from December 2026
SYD-DPS extra 4 weekly from March 2027
PER-DPS 17 weekly from June 2027
BNE-DPS extra 3 weekly from September 2027

https://www.iasc.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/1.1-application-for-allocation-of-capacity-indonesia-route.pdf

 

[jrfsp]

Virgin's application is up.

They've requested 5086 seats to be used for:

MEL-DPS extra 4 weekly from December 2026
SYD-DPS extra 4 weekly from March 2027
PER-DPS 17 weekly from June 2027
BNE-DPS extra 3 weekly from September 2027

https://www.iasc.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/1.1-application-for-allocation-of-capacity-indonesia-route.pdf

Pretty much as expected, i wouldn’t be surprised if the allocation gets split down the middle.

 

[markis10]

Pretty much as expected, i wouldn’t be surprised if the allocation gets split down the middle.

Personally I would hope VA get the lion share.

 

[SeaWolf]

For the proposed schedules where they're both using the 1234567 notation to indicate the proposed days of operations, that's Monday as 1 and Sunday as 7 isn't it?
I'm pretty sure that's how the IATA system works. So where it's indicated as .23..67 that would be services on Tuesday, Wednesday, Saturday and Sunday.

 

[AIRwin]

For the proposed schedules where they're both using the 1234567 notation to indicate the proposed days of operations, that's Monday as 1 and Sunday as 7 isn't it?
I'm pretty sure that's how the IATA system works. So where it's indicated as .23..67 that would be services on Tuesday, Wednesday, Saturday and Sunday.

Yes this is the convention

 

[Harrison_133]

Personally I would hope VA get the lion share.

They would have a compelling case.

Both carriers will now need to address additional criteria under Section 9 of the IASC Policy Statement. The 'competition criteria' is a key part of that.

Virgin currently have 4924 seats per week to Indonesia, just under 20% of the allocated capacity. The Qantas Group have 20,076 seats. On those grounds alone, I find it hard to see how the commission could justify giving a lion share of the capacity to the Qantas Group, as it would further entrench their dominant position in the market. Even if they were to evenly split the additional 5000 seats, it would only increase VA's share of the capacity to 24%.

On the other hand, I can also see them prioritising the routes currently unserved by the applicants. I.e., PER-CGK for QF, WSI-DPS for JQ and PER-DPS for VA. There is a case to be made for Jakarta, given it would diversify Aus-Indo options beyond Bali.

 

[Saab34]

On the other hand, I can also see them prioritising the routes currently unserved by the applicants. I.e., PER-CGK for QF, WSI-DPS for JQ and PER-DPS for VA. There is a case to be made for Jakarta, given it would diversify Aus-Indo options beyond Bali.

Virgin will push the market share and Australian based crew message in its reply without a doubt like they did in the last attempt. Jetstar tried pushing the low cost carrier/market stimulator last time but they disagreed with that take.

I’d like to see more share to DPS/CGK on non JQ metal so I would be happy if Jetstar got nothing out of this.

 

[markis10]

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Personally I would hope VA get the lion share.

They would have a compelling case.

Both carriers will now need to address additional criteria under Section 9 of the IASC Policy Statement. The 'competition criteria' is a key part of that.

Virgin currently have 4924 seats per week to Indonesia, just under 20% of the allocated capacity. The Qantas Group have 20,076 seats. On those grounds alone, I find it hard to see how the commission could justify giving a lion share of the capacity to the Qantas Group, as it would further entrench their dominant position in the market. Even if...

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