VFF SC 'Black Hole' between Activity Date and Processing Date

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Hi VFF,

An issue experienced by many members is the problem of status credits disappearing into a "black hole" when there is a significant lag between the activity date that gets a member to a new status level, and the processing date of those points.

For example, consider a member who takes a flight on 1 April that takes their SC balance from 390 SC to 510 SC. By the rules of the program that member should now be Gold.

However, as many here know, flights sometimes go missing-in-action for several weeks (For example, I had a series of 2 February flights post on 13 April). Consider that our theoretical member then earns another 100 SCs before their 1 April flight is processed (ie their running processed SC balance reaches 490 SC). The April 1 flight is then processed on 2 May. Thus the member would become Gold with a status credit balance of 610 SCs, and a requalification date of 3 May.

The problem is that 100 SCs obtained after earning gold - but before being awarded it - are effectively lost, unless the member continues to fly and earns platinum. They will expire twelve months after they were earned - ie just before the members' assessment date. If a member closes out the next year on a balance of 370 SC they might feel a bit hard done by.

My question/suggestion (I appreciate you won't be able to really give an answer, but you might at least acknowledge you'll talk about it :p) is would you consider a system where either (a) the assessment date for a member is defined as twelve months from the activity date of the flight that earned them the upgraded status, rather than twelve months after the processing date or (b) allowing some sort of "opening balance" feature whereby SCs earned in the 'wrong year' due to system lags are counted in the next qualifying year.

(a) has a significant drawback in that members might only initially hold their new status for 10.5 months or perhaps less, so (b) would be my suggested solution.

A needlessly complicated option (c) would be to take a hybrid of (a) and (b) - award the member twelve months gold from the processing date, but set their assessment date relative to the activity date that qualified them for gold. However I doubt you'd want to separate assessment date from membership expiry date - that could get messy. However, it would keep intact the strict twelve month expiry system that VFF uses.
 
As a side issue, what is the protocol with SCs over and above the amount required, earned on the qualifying flight? That is, if someone was on 990 SCs and took a J connection (eg CNSxBNE-MEL) which is worth 120 SCs, are the 110 SCs just lost?
 
It seems as so !!! I was going to ask a similar question.

As of march 23 i had 895 SC
27th march mel/syd/ool ( 3 x J ) +240 SC

= 1135 <----- first time qual plat.

29th march review and platinum status

6th april ool/mel ( 3 x J ) = 180SC

giving me a total of 1315SC

Velocity shows

Review Date 29 Mar 2014
Status Credits earned since 29 Mar 2013[SUP]1[/SUP] 180
Additional Status Credits required to maintain Platinum by 29 Mar 2014 620
Additional sectors required to maintain Platinum by 29 Mar 2014[SUP]2[/SUP] 7


By my math i have earnt 315SC since reaching ( the required 1000SC to qual for platinum ) and should only need 485SC to retain.

Am i missing something ? Or because i was at 895SC and added the 240 SC i loose out on the ones above and beyond the 1000 mark because of the review ??
 
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I thought I'd planned it all out.

A couple of weeks ago, I was sitting on 785 SC's and 4 Eligible Sectors. I booked a "run" to NTL using points taking advantage of the reward SC's and Family Pooling taking Jnr#1 along for the ride. I realised that I would be an Eligible Sector short and 15 SC's even after this run to attain Platinum, so booked a return flight MEL-SYD on the 7th April to ensure I had enough Eligible Sectors and SC's on completion of the outbound flight to NTL. The total after the MEL-SYD-MEL was 8 Eligible Sectors and 805 SC's. So the flight on the 13th April would add 200 SC's and 2 sectors, bringing my total to 10 sectors and 1005 SC's - all good!

So I do a quick check on Saturday night in NTL and nothing has posted yet. Get back home on Sunday around 5pm and have another look and my account is showing 10 sectors and 1005 SC's, but still showing Gold status. Monday morning I check again, and my status is 1005 SC's with Platinum status. Yay!

Now I'm thinking that the return flight NTL-MEL will count 20 SC's and 1 Eligible sectors for re-qualification. Nup. Now it shows as below, the review date was the 15th April and I confirm that what I saw on the morning of the 15th was 1005 SC's and platinum, but the return flights on the 14th were processed after the review on the 15th, but have gone into the black hole and I have no SC's or Eligible Sectors to Maintain Status:-

Velocity > Activity History copy.jpg
 
Am i missing something ? Or because i was at 895SC and added the 240 SC i loose out on the ones above and beyond the 1000 mark because of the review ??

I'm not sure. Hopefully VFF will be able to answer this.
 
I thought I'd planned it all out.

A couple of weeks ago, I was sitting on 785 SC's and 4 Eligible Sectors. I booked a "run" to NTL using points taking advantage of the reward SC's and Family Pooling taking Jnr#1 along for the ride. I realised that I would be an Eligible Sector short and 15 SC's even after this run to attain Platinum, so booked a return flight MEL-SYD on the 7th April to ensure I had enough Eligible Sectors and SC's on completion of the outbound flight to NTL. The total after the MEL-SYD-MEL was 8 Eligible Sectors and 805 SC's. So the flight on the 13th April would add 200 SC's and 2 sectors, bringing my total to 10 sectors and 1005 SC's - all good!

So I do a quick check on Saturday night in NTL and nothing has posted yet. Get back home on Sunday around 5pm and have another look and my account is showing 10 sectors and 1005 SC's, but still showing Gold status. Monday morning I check again, and my status is 1005 SC's with Platinum status. Yay!

Now I'm thinking that the return flight NTL-MEL will count 20 SC's and 1 Eligible sectors for re-qualification. Nup. Now it shows as below, the review date was the 15th April and I confirm that what I saw on the morning of the 15th was 1005 SC's and platinum, but the return flights on the 14th were processed after the review on the 15th, but have gone into the black hole and I have no SC's or Eligible Sectors to Maintain Status:-

My recollection of similar events, is that "IF" you fail to requalifiy, they will entertain re-crediting those sectors at that point. But they won't entertain doing it in advance.
 
My recollection of similar events, is that "IF" you fail to requalifiy, they will entertain re-crediting those sectors at that point. But they won't entertain doing it in advance.

I wasn't clear in my original post. On landing in NTL on the 13th April, I had enough eligible sectors and 1005 SC's to qualify (not requalify) for Platinum status. My return flights the next day, should post as "maintain"- they have been lost in the "Black Hole".
 
I may have been lucky - I was on 935 with 60 to post (flown Friday) going into Saturday.

On Saturday I flew ADL-MEL with 10 to post to take me over; however Sunday morning was showing me at 995 with those 60 posting, but status was now WP. The 10 SC's from ADL had not posted.

Monday my WP account was showing 0 SC's with the addional 10 SCs having posted along with a "Status Assessment" line - so I have currently "lost" 5.

Next Sunday I have 90 SC"s worth of travel - I will be mightily unimpressed if they don't post to maintain.
 
I wasn't clear in my original post. On landing in NTL on the 13th April, I had enough eligible sectors and 1005 SC's to qualify (not requalify) for Platinum status. My return flights the next day, should post as "maintain"- they have been lost in the "Black Hole".

Yes. You were clear.

In previous examples of this, Virgin has indicated, that on say 15 April 2014 (when your Plat requal is due) if you don't have 800 credits then, they will consider crediting you the missing status credits that you earned AFTER achieving PLAT, but that were recognised as having been earned BEFORE achieving PLAT was actually processsed.

It's a common problem. It results from the Status Review Date being the 15th, but the Activity Date of subsequent sectors being before then.

I would ask for them to credit you the missing status credits, but all I'm saying is: in the past they've simply offerred to credit them "IF" you don't have enough in 12 months time. But I'd still ask for them.

EDIT: Sorry. Just read the first post. Everything I've said is stated there. Haha. Awkward. :)
 
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Yes. You were clear.

In previous examples of this, Virgin has indicated, that on say 15 April 2014 (when your Plat requal is due) if you don't have 800 credits then, they will consider crediting you the missing status credits that you earned AFTER achieving PLAT, but that were recognised as having been earned BEFORE achieving PLAT was actually processsed.

It's a common problem. It results from the Status Review Date being the 15th, but the Activity Date of subsequent sectors being before then.

I would ask for them to credit you the missing status credits, but all I'm saying is: in the past they've simply offerred to credit them "IF" you don't have enough in 12 months time. But I'd still ask for them.

EDIT: Sorry. Just read the first post. Everything I've said is stated there. Haha. Awkward. :)

Ahhh.... I get it.

The moral of the story - don't fly until 3-4 days have passed after you have obtained enough SC's to achieve/retain status level and the account review has been completed. The flights in between credit to the "Black Hole". And if you're a bit short on the next review date, the "Black Hole" may credit some SC's back to you.
 
But then like me .. at 895SC and then have 240SC credit on one hit ...135SC are kissed goodbye in the "black hole" and then HOPE that if i need them they are re credited.

Surely in 2013 that isn't good enough ? What about the people who dont monitor their SC's and check their accounts ( hard to believe i know but there are people that don't ) and who erroneously have been shafted of their status because of this!!
 
What about the people who dont monitor their SC's and check their accounts ( hard to believe i know but there are people that don't ) and who erroneously have been shafted of their status because of this!!

The common answer here has been "it's not the airlines responsibility to monitor everyones account for them", which I disagree with. I think that if an airline offers something, it's their responsibilty to deliver on the promise. Keeping track of airlines, hotels and car hire crowds to ensure they all award correctly is a burden. Currently, I have two outstanding VA flights in claim, 2 outstanding HH stays/points in claim, 2 outstanding Hertz rentals which have been sent elsewhere, 7 outstanding Hertz rentals that haven't showed up in my tally, 3 outstanding Hertz rentals that are yet to credit to VS. I swear I'm going to raise invoices and send them out for my lost time doing their work for them.
 
The common answer here has been "it's not the airlines responsibility to monitor everyones account for them", which I disagree with. I think that if an airline offers something, it's their responsibilty to deliver on the promise. Keeping track of airlines, hotels and car hire crowds to ensure they all award correctly is a burden. Currently, I have two outstanding VA flights in claim, 2 outstanding HH stays/points in claim, 2 outstanding Hertz rentals which have been sent elsewhere, 7 outstanding Hertz rentals that haven't showed up in my tally, 3 outstanding Hertz rentals that are yet to credit to VS. I swear I'm going to raise invoices and send them out for my lost time doing their work for them.

Flights aside, how would Velocity even know you had all those points coming from their partners?
 
Flights aside, how would Velocity even know you had all those points coming from their partners?

Sorry should have been clearer. It was a general statement about the amount of time to continually monitor various status accounts, the posting or lack thereof of promised benefits, the chasing up of "missing" benefits, the watching and waiting, the re-chasing up of missing benefits, the telephone calls and emails etc etc etc

The only two that deal with VR are the two missing flights. I don't want anything else going near my VFF account.....which is one of the problems with Hertz at the moment.
 
I wasn't clear in my original post. On landing in NTL on the 13th April, I had enough eligible sectors and 1005 SC's to qualify (not requalify) for Platinum status. My return flights the next day, should post as "maintain"- they have been lost in the "Black Hole".

I shot off an email to Velocity on Monday and today they have updated my account with 20 status credits and the 94 extra points that I should have got as Plat. I have since asked for the 1 Eligible Sector to be credited as well.

Happy with the result.
 
Status credits lost due to slow platinum upgrade

I am Platinum and due for review on 12 March 2015.

I have 790 status credits at this stage and no flights planned until April.

I actually had over 1200 status credits when upgraded to Platinum in March 2014. 480 of these status credits were earned in the last few days before upgrade and this took me well over the 1000 status credits needed for the Platinum qualification.

Because I wasn't upgraded immediately the 200 extra status credits from the last flights were lost and didn't go towards this years qualification for Platinum.

Is it possible to get these extra status credits allocated to this year so that i do re qualify without undertaking an unnecessary flight to achieve an extra 10 status credits?

Thanks
 
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Re: Status credits lost due to slow platinum upgrade

I emailed VFF when a similar thing happened to me, and they adjusted my account :-

http://www.australianfrequentflyer....nt-flyer/vff-sc-black-hole-between-49376.html

Thanks Robd.

I think the title of this thread might be a bit wrong as it wasnt slow getting the upgrade it was just that i lost the points in between when I qualified and when I was upgraded. I was very disappointed at the time and rang the Platinum contact center but they didn't want to help at all which was really disappointing.
 
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