Upgrade rank

[serfty]

Hence why the ranking from TheInsider has the OW and EK status.

I cannot see how non QF oneword status can come into the calculation (other than with PCV within a tier) in relation to POINTS upgrades.

See this post from way back:

Since you can only upgrade using QFF points on QF marketed flight numbers, I do not think oneworld status from another airline can realistically come into it.

Also, the T&C are specific:

16.3.3 Classic Upgrade Rewards will be awarded to Members according to their Qantas Frequent Flyer status levels in the following order: Platinum One Members first, then Platinum Members, then Gold Members, then Silver Members and then Bronze Members.

 

[trippin_the_rift]

Chairman's Lounge Platinum 1
Platinum 1
Chairman's Lounge
Platinum
EK Platinum
OW Emerald
Gold
EK Gold
OW Sapphire
Qantas Club Silver
Silver
EK Silver
OW Ruby
Qantas Club
Bronze
Non Frequent Flyer

No such thing as Platinum QC - as QC gets put on hold once you reach Gold.

Is this list from actual information provided to you directly from a knowledgeable source at QF or are you guessing?

I doubt a vanilla P1 outranks a vanilla CL (but I have no firm information to back that statement however, just experience as a P1).

I'm inclined to agree, but I don't have the insight to this either. When I was P1, I know CL certainly outranked me, but times may have changed since back in the day.

If I were to apply the logic of other Oneworld priority complimentary upgrade lists to Qantas, it would look like this:

Priority 1 (Airline CEOs, head of gov etc)
CL P1
CL
P1
On duty staff travel
-- below this line, ticket type takes precedence over status level --
QF Platinum
EK IO
QF Gold
EK Platinum
Oneworld Emerald
QF Silver
EK Gold
Oneworld Sapphire
QF Club
QF Leisure Staff Travel
Non-QF Leisure Staff Travel
Bronze

 

[serfty]

Now to be clear.

There is a difference between points upgrades and operational upgrades.

Non QF Oneworld status cannot form the tier ranking part of POINTS upgrades. The T&C's refer to Qantas FF status only for these.

oneworld status may have a tier influence for operational upgrades but I suspect this is generally in relation to PCV calculation.

 

[TheInsider]

Sorry I wasn't aware that the OP meant points upgrades. I was assuming 'free upgrades'.

 

[serfty]

Sorry I wasn't aware that the OP meant points upgrades. I was assuming 'free upgrades'.

I can't tell one way or the other from the OP. So I have tried to be specific in what my posts are referring to.

 

[Franky]

I query the inclusion of OW status and EK status in this list when the issue is upgrade rank. You can only upgrade using QFF points; how could you do that unless you were travelling as a QFF member and therefore QF would have no idea of your other-airline status?

Agree - however if the list is definitive, then it is probably of interest to many...

 

[CaptJCool]

As much as this could be a long list, there's likely a couple of other factors at play...

ive never 'won' the upgrade lotttery even when a Platinum. (Last time gazumped by a couple of QantasLink pilots coming back from Flight Sim training in Seattle...) and flyin EK couldn't even get in the lottery
had a couple of domestic op-ups just around end of the status earning Year and an o/s Y to PE WHEN Y Cabin was overbooked and higher cabins Undercooked...
a bronze level friend who hardly flew (read no status) paid Flexi Y fares for a trip to Hong Kong and won 3/4 leg upgrades to business (and the points cost (transferred in the family)) of each was LESS THAN a restricted Y fare.

Made me wonder if a strict status level was abandoned for a PCV so that $fare paid ranked ahead of it (though of course a different order or priority would still see a nested rank inside a rank just in a different order)

 

[TheInsider]

As much as this could be a long list, there's likely a couple of other factors at play...

ive never 'won' the upgrade lotttery even when a Platinum. (Last time gazumped by a couple of QantasLink pilots coming back from Flight Sim training in Seattle...) and flyin EK couldn't even get in the lottery

The pilots would've been booking in J anyway with out any upgrades from Y. It would've been taken out of the available sale inventory when they were booked.

 

[RichardMEL]

i believe some members of the royal family were known to regularly book economy! Didn't tony Blair as well when he went on a family holiday? although i seem to recall they let him fly there without an upgrade!

Yes William did a few years ago for one on US I think, or maybe AA.

Prince William flies economy class for journey home from American wedding | Daily Mail Online

I cannot see how non QF oneword status can come into the calculation (other than with PCV within a tier) in relation to POINTS upgrades.

How about a P1 sponsored upgrade? The P1 pays the points and has a status effect.

Yes. Am aware of all that. Doesn't negate the possibility of giving WP1 CL access for an even nicer experience.

As a P1, sure I'd love it. but there would be way more P1 flying on a regular basis than CL and probably outnumber the CL in "their" lounge (except probably CBR at certain times )

Also note that QF have, on rare occasions recently seated P1 in the CL - in both MEL and SYD back in November I think when significant weather issues caused huge delays and massive crowding in the J lounges, P1's were put in the CL - which was a very sensible move by QF on the ground. I was not one of these pax but have it on good authority from several others who were that this happened at least once at both stations so it would seem to be a common sense policy approach (rather than a one off idea by local station management.

 

[samh004]

That's interesting that WP1 takes precedence over CL. I think that is appropriate but always thought it was reversed. Maybe WP1 should have access to CL in Australia.

I think they should.

I'm inclined to agree, but I don't have the insight to this either. When I was P1, I know CL certainly outranked me, but times may have changed since back in the day.

I can't recall ever meeting a CL when I was a P1, however I remember being upgraded a lot, so perhaps I wasn't on flights with CL's?

As a P1, sure I'd love it. but there would be way more P1 flying on a regular basis than CL and probably outnumber the CL in "their" lounge (except probably CBR at certain times )

Also note that QF have, on rare occasions recently seated P1 in the CL - in both MEL and SYD back in November I think when significant weather issues caused huge delays and massive crowding in the J lounges, P1's were put in the CL - which was a very sensible move by QF on the ground. I was not one of these pax but have it on good authority from several others who were that this happened at least once at both stations so it would seem to be a common sense policy approach (rather than a one off idea by local station management.

Perhaps this is evidence of them testing the waters for such a change.

The problem would be that as P1 can be earned anyone could suddenly buy in if they really wanted it that bad.

However I would suggest they take a look at how the Concorde Room benefit is given, and follow that line of thinking. So there's P1 and you'd then have to earn a bit more than that to get a Chairmans Lounge card, perhaps around the 5000SC a year mark. I think for most that's well and truly out of reach unless you're actually flying the miles for work.

 

[serfty]

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How about a P1 sponsored upgrade? The P1 pays the points and has a status effect.
...

Still no oneworld status involved ...

 

[RichardMEL]

However I would suggest they take a look at how the Concorde Room benefit is given, and follow that line of thinking. So there's P1 and you'd then have to earn a bit more than that to get a Chairmans Lounge card, perhaps around the 5000SC a year mark. I think for most that's well and truly out of reach unless you're actually flying the miles for work.

Well that would be far more worthwhile than the pissy 75k points offered at 5000SC. Frankly if you get to 5k SC a year points are almost certainly going to not be worrying too much about 75k points. Nice maybe for an upgrade or 3 but hardly a big deal for that SC level.

Still no oneworld status involved ...

well no, but someone on a booking with a OW status FF# attached can't use any QFF points they have to upgrade anyway - unless they associated their QFF# with the booking, applied for upgrade, then changed the FF# after upgrade.. in which case the OW status, as you say, is irrelevant.

Just like a QFF pax on any other OW airline (bar a few exceptions such as the QF upgrade deal on certain LA codeshare flights) where there's no way for them to upgrade using that airline's points.

so what's the.. er... point again? (pun intended)

 

[serfty]

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so what's the.. er... point again? (pun intended)

hah!

... with QFF points upgrades, *O status is irrelevant.

... with involuntary upgrades (op ups), *O status may form part of any consideration.