UK mulls over changes for Hong Kong citizens

[tomlee1986]

As an immigrant from Hong Kong (now an Australia citizen), I don't disagree with the principle but just that policing would be really costly. I think we need to do both (vetting and treason charge where justified)

I agree with both but a commentator that is good in these matters say why not get those renew passports sign a declaration of supporting the western beliefs, or commit perjury if found given false statements... no need to do anything more

 

[CityRail]

Actually there is a better way... give them British citizenship now, but charge them for treason if they did something like supporting CCP and against UK values

I think charging someone with treason requires a very strict test and a lengthy trial which is a complete waste of taxpayer's money.

Moreover, you need to declare that CCP is a terrorist organisation or at war with CCP in order to successfully try someone for treason, which economically speaking, we are not in Sino-Britain relationship back in the late 1800s, and therefore it is unrealistic.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

This is why the 'path' to citizenship is important, rather than deeming people to 'be' british citizens. If you are a british citizen by birth, it cannot be taken away from you. But if you acquire citizenship, save for some exceptional circumstances, it can usually be revoked.

 

[siri]

Cannot believe Mainland Chinese want to destabilise and destroy this wonderful city. One of my favourite places and great achievement for HK residence that built truly wonderful wealthy city with out any local resources. Doing business there is great and very efficient. Even the custom guys know you have business in HK when you are at Custom gates.

 

[tomlee1986]

Cannot believe Mainland Chinese want to destabilise and destroy this wonderful city. One of my favourite places and great achievement for HK residence that built truly wonderful wealthy city with out any local resources. Doing business there is great and very efficient. Even the custom guys know you have business in HK when you are at Custom gates.

Actually I do believe it because they want to firmly control it and want HK people to accept the CCP demands without protests!

 

[kamchatsky]

Well, officially One Country Two Systems for HK is dead:

Hong Kong leader demands international respect for the national security law

Lam urges the global community to accept the legislation, which was passed unanimously by Beijing’s top legislative body on Tuesday.

www.scmp.com

 

[tomlee1986]

Well, officially One Country Two Systems for HK is dead:

Hong Kong leader demands international respect for the national security law

Lam urges the global community to accept the legislation, which was passed unanimously by Beijing’s top legislative body on Tuesday.

www.scmp.com

RIP Hong Kong (1842-2020)

 

[tomlee1986]

I like to say a few words as a Hong Konger in Australia. Today is a death of me in some ways with the passing of this law. I see this is a point of no return and as an Australian citizen born in HK. I highly value the peace, kindness and friendship that Australians provide to immigrants around the world (including me when I first entered this country 20 years ago). I would say this, with the passing of this law, I vow I would never willingly and voluntarily enter HK until CCP is defeated, and HK returns to its former glory!

 

[Infrequent traveller]

I like to say a few words as a Hong Konger in Australia. Today is a death of me in some ways with the passing of this law. I see this is a point of no return and as an Australian citizen born in HK. I highly value the peace, kindness and friendship that Australians provide to immigrants around the world (including me when I first entered this country 20 years ago). I would say this, with the passing of this law, I vow I would never willingly and voluntarily enter HK until CCP is defeated, and HK returns to its former glory!

Well said. Same here

 

[kamchatsky]

I like to say a few words as a Hong Konger in Australia. Today is a death of me in some ways with the passing of this law. I see this is a point of no return and as an Australian citizen born in HK. I highly value the peace, kindness and friendship that Australians provide to immigrants around the world (including me when I first entered this country 20 years ago). I would say this, with the passing of this law, I vow I would never willingly and voluntarily enter HK until CCP is defeated, and HK returns to its former glory!

I would still have to go to HK due to family connections. But yes, HK is not the same again.

If you can, get that $10K from the government, and if you want, donate to the various parties at HK with a cause for democracy.

 

[tomlee1986]

I would still have to go to HK due to family connections. But yes, HK is not the same again.

If you can, get that $10K from the government, and if you want, donate to the various parties at HK with a cause for democracy.

speaking of that $10k, I would NOT apply.. not because I don't want it, but you dont know how the personal details are used by CCP or HK government in the application for this $... but whether others apply or not.. it is up to them.. but for me, my privacy is worth more than $2000 AUD (exchange rate of $1 AUD = 5 HKD - simplicity calculation instead of the decimal points)

 

[Infrequent traveller]

speaking of that $10k, I would NOT apply.. not because I don't want it, but you dont know how the personal details are used by CCP or HK government.. but whether others apply or not.. it is up to them.. but for me, my privacy is worth more than $2000 AUD (exchange rate of $1 AUD = 5 HKD - simplicity calculation instead of the decimal points)

I understand your concern - and this highlights to our other fellow readers how bad the situation is (or at least as perceived)

 

[kamchatsky]

speaking of that $10k, I would NOT apply.. not because I don't want it, but you dont know how the personal details are used by CCP or HK government in the application for this $... but whether others apply or not.. it is up to them.. but for me, my privacy is worth more than $2000 AUD (exchange rate of $1 AUD = 5 HKD - simplicity calculation instead of the decimal points)

I understand your concern - and this highlights to our other fellow readers how bad the situation is (or at least as perceived)

Fair enough, I understand where you are coming from.

For me I would get it, but I will certainly find a creative way of using that 10K. If I don't get it, the govt will use it for other ways, for "Security purposes".

If you have WeChat or Tiktok on your phone, chances are that they have your details one way or another. So i assume you guys don't use that.

 

[tomlee1986]

If you have WeChat or Tiktok on your phone, chances are that they have your details one way or another. So i assume you guys don't use that.

for me.. i have neither and my last visit to HK is 5 years ago and i didnt buy a phone service when i was there.. so the hk government has very limited details on me

 

[Isochronous]

for me.. i have neither and my last visit to HK is 5 years ago and i didnt buy a phone service when i was there.. so the hk government has very limited details on me

Unlike Singapore, you can still freely buy SIM cards from convenience stores and smaller random stalls on the street without showing ID. Just get a friend to mail you a SIM card from HK and then apply for the $10k online through online banking.

 

[tomlee1986]

Unlike Singapore, you can still freely buy SIM cards from convenience stores and smaller random stalls on the street without showing ID. Just get a friend to mail you a SIM card from HK and then apply for the $10k online through online banking.

but i am not in HK now... and was only there for 2 weeks when i last visited in 2015

 

[samh004]

I grew up in Hong Kong, but the reality was that Hong Kong was eventually going to be re-absorbed into China, after the 50-years were up. Sure, we're a little ahead of the plan right now, but much like many countries, independence is extremely hard fought. Look at Catalonia in Spain, or the fact China still thinks they are in control of Taiwan.

On the subject of this national security law that was passed, and that many Western governments are crying foul over, how is this any different to the Patriot Act, passed after 9/11?

 

[tomlee1986]

I grew up in Hong Kong, but the reality was that Hong Kong was eventually going to be re-absorbed into China, after the 50-years were up. Sure, we're a little ahead of the plan right now, but much like many countries, independence is extremely hard fought. Look at Catalonia in Spain, or the fact China still thinks they are in control of Taiwan.

On the subject of this national security law that was passed, and that many Western governments are crying foul over, how is this any different to the Patriot Act, passed after 9/11?

The question is how many people trust Beijing? They promised free and fair elections to HK... Did they deliver? The answer is NO! Don't forget they also committed 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre! And if you look recent,,, Covid or as I put it... China Wuhan Virus,.. How many people have suffered around the world including Australia if not killed? Too many to count!

 

[tomlee1986]

On the subject of this national security law that was passed, and that many Western governments are crying foul over, how is this any different to the Patriot Act, passed after 9/11?

I will use a 2nd post to talk about this Patriot act... there is a reason for it.. that was 9/11 attacks as you rightly said.. but that was terror attacks, and the government was able to be held to account by free and fair elections.. Look at HK, is this true with free and fair elections? The answer is NO! So don't compare the 2 as they are completely DIFFERENT!

 

[kamchatsky]

I grew up in Hong Kong, but the reality was that Hong Kong was eventually going to be re-absorbed into China, after the 50-years were up. Sure, we're a little ahead of the plan right now, but much like many countries, independence is extremely hard fought. Look at Catalonia in Spain, or the fact China still thinks they are in control of Taiwan.

On the subject of this national security law that was passed, and that many Western governments are crying foul over, how is this any different to the Patriot Act, passed after 9/11?

The biggest difference is that China is a dictatorship country and USA is democratic country. There are no freedom in China. Whatever you say in China will be stored and can be used against you anytime. The court systems is always aligned with the government and not independent. Try saying something bad about the government in China and you could be executed.