Typical daily booking numbers MEL - SYD - MEL

[Melburnian1]

An interesting report at Business Traveller Asia Pacific's website, courtesy of the Official Airline Guide (better known as OAG) discloses that typical QF bookings on its busiest route - no surprise - of MEL - SYD - MEL are 8458 (or annually, 3.08 million plus.)

VA has a typical 5716 bookings.

Naturally the figures would vary widely from day to day. A Tuesday or Saturday in winter lacking popular AFL matches might a low point. 22 December, Boxing Day, Holy Thursday and Easter Monday are among days when numbers skyrocket on a total routes basis, even on some 'business routes' in the 'golden triangle.'

Given the QF group always says its market share around Australia is roughly 65 per cent, JQ would have more passengers travel each day than TT.

I believe these figures are totals, so to get the one way traffic for each carrier, divide by two.

CX has 5001 bookings per day on HKG - TPE - HKG that is Asia's busiest international route.

KE has 8203 typical daily bookings GMP (Seoul's secondary airport, closer to the CBD than ICN) - CGU - GMP. CGU is an island popular with South Koreans.

However KE's second busiest route,. GMP - PUS - GMP had less than a third of the bookings on the Jeju Island route.

One major season is that Korail's high speed trains are incredibly popular. Frequent, quite fast and comfortable. Gets one to the city centre. As in Japan and Taiwan, very enjoyable. I don't know why most would fly on these routes. The exception might be if connecting internationally.

No wonder behind the scenes Australia's airlines fight tooth and nail to try to ensure high speed trains never see the light of day here. They'd steal millions of annual passenger journeys from all four majors.

 

[docjames]

You may find this site contains interesting info on this topic:

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[Franky]

No wonder behind the scenes Australia's airlines fight tooth and nail to try to ensure high speed trains never see the light of day here. They'd steal millions of annual passenger journeys from all four majors.

And they (The Government) would steal/waste billions of dollars to build those high speed trains..

 

[Hvr]

And they (The Government) would steal/waste billions of dollars to build those high speed trains..

You could mitigate that risk by ensuring the banks weren't involved in the financing.

 

[Franky]

You could mitigate that risk by ensuring the banks weren't involved in the financing.

So, if your'e saying that neither the government nor the banks should be involved in the funding for these projects, then who will?

 

[Melburnian1]

It's a project of national importance where the benefits go beyond the transport provided, so appropriate for some government funding.

 

[BAM1748]

And they (The Government) would steal/waste billions of dollars to build those high speed trains..

Not the only thing that happens on, if you live in NSW you'll be up on $2b stadium rebuilds. I note there is another $20m study into the high speed rail happening at the moment.

 

[redone123]

I recall reading about a high speed rail proposal that would be funded by the developers owning large swathes of land in regional areas that would become regional centers. A good theory but I’m concerned about what such an approach would do to our existing regional centers

 

[redone123]

The developer would benefit from massive increases in land values

 

[Franky]

I recall reading about a high speed rail proposal that would be funded by the developers owning large swathes of land in regional areas that would become regional centers. A good theory but I’m concerned about what such an approach would do to our existing regional centers

A good theory indeed. As for some projects being good for the national importance, being West of the rabbit proof fence, the cynic in me says only the golden triangle on the East coast would end up with HSR, but our share of taxes would contribute.

 

[Melburnian1]

...says only the golden triangle on the East coast would end up with HSR, but our share of taxes would contribute.

Well that's where the population is. There won't be high speed rail between ADL and ASP or DRW as at present it's unjustifiable, but MEL - ABX - CBR -SYD and SYD - NTL - OOL - BNE a different story.

By the way, Victoria for instance does not receive every dollar back in GST that it contributes. I'm not suggesting that it ought, but alluding to how there has to be some 'give and take' in a Federation.

 

[Franky]

Well that's where the population is. There won't be high speed rail between ADL and ASP or DRW as at present it's unjustifiable, but MEL - ABX - CBR -SYD and SYD - NTL - OOL - BNE a different story.

By the way, Victoria for instance does not receive every dollar back in GST that it contributes. I'm not suggesting that it ought, but alluding to how there has to be some 'give and take' in a Federation.

Your'e right that Victoria doesn't get back all of their GST dollars, but they happen to get back three times as much as WA does. In any event, GST taxes aren't meant to fund national infrastructure projects, that comes from consolidated revenue. As I said at the beginning, if HSR is such a good deal, private industry should fund it. The last thing we want is another NBN.

 

[Forg]

HSR can’t be made to make money given ‘Straya’s population-density & distances, so no private company could ever implement it without gumbyment backing.

Flying from Sydney to Tamworth isn’t cheaper than the train from Sydney to Tamworth purely due to government rail-“company” inefficiency. [yes maybe the trains are smarter & hence have a stronger fear of country music]