Together Once More

[AIRwin]

Simply make an eligible Australian domestic flight booking by 22 November 2020, register your booking using the form below and you could win your booking value back as a Qantas TravelPass:

Together once more | Qantas AU

We’ve all been waiting to reunite with our favourite people and places around the country. As restrictions ease, we want to help Australians be together once more.

www.qantas.com

 

[TheInsider]

Just off-topic, but IF this 'Travel Pass' is the new voucher system (gift vouchers), then it seems the old trick of making vouchers when double status credits are on will be gone and closed off.

 

[Vic]

I'm pretty sure a travel pass is something different. There has always been a kind of self service voucher system via UATP, which is ineligible for earning.

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[MEL_Traveller]

I have some concerns about this promo!

The booking period is 9 November to 22 November, but the draw is on 14 December. The total prize pool is $1 million. Winners will only be drawn until the $1 million is reached.

I'm not sure the promo is actually 1 in 100 will win. It's something like 1 in 100 *might* win. But my concern is that people may be buying tickets before the promo closes and actually have no chance of winning?

 

[odysseus]

I have some concerns about this promo!

The booking period is 9 November to 22 November, but the draw is on 14 December. The total prize pool is $1 million. Winners will only be drawn until the $1 million is reached.

I'm not sure the promo is actually 1 in 100 will win. It's something like 1 in 100 *might* win. But my concern is that people may be buying tickets before the promo closes and actually have no chance of winning?

You're right. The promo description is misleading. It should be more accurately called something like the $1m booking giveaway or similar with the 1 in 100 mechanics only described in the terms. Or just make that $1m limit explicitly clear in the description as it's actually the key determinant of how many prizes will be given.

They set a cap of $5000 a prize, but even at an average prize of 10% of that, at $500, that's only 2000 prizes. Which means 200000 bookings - 100,000 a week. I'd expect their bookings will be under that limit, but then again with Christmas coming and borders opening up, maybe not.

 

[AIRwin]

It just occurred to me that the name of this promotion is taken from the lyrics of I Still Call Australia Home... Awww!

 

[Mattg]

A 1 in 100 chance (at best) at winning a prize? Nah, I'll pass...

 

[Vic]

I'm not sure the promo is actually 1 in 100 will win. It's something like 1 in 100 *might* win. But my concern is that people may be buying tickets before the promo closes and actually have no chance of winning?

If they're drawn randomly from all bookings in the promo period, then it's hard to conclude there is no chance to win for a subset of bookings.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

If they're drawn randomly from all bookings in the promo period, then it's hard to conclude there is no chance to win for a subset of bookings.

If we assume a minimum ticket cost of $100, there could be some point during the promo where they sold more than the $1 million in prizes? Which would potentially mean the prize would no longer be 1 in 100, it would be something less?

 

[Vic]

If we assume a minimum ticket cost of $100, there could be some point during the promo where they sold more than the $1 million in prizes? Which would potentially mean the prize would no longer be 1 in 100, it would be something less?

true
However, that doesn't mean tickets purchased after than point in time have no chance of winning...

 

[odysseus]

true
However, that doesn't mean tickets purchased after than point in time have no chance of winning...

No, but it means your chance of winning is less than what they are promoting in the description.

 

[Lone Wolf]

Registered a couple of bookings despite the likelihood of odds being "enhanced"

"You got to be in it to win it" as the saying goes ...

 

[Vic]

No, but it means your chance of winning is less than what they are promoting in the description.

Actually, I was replying to someone who said that some people would have NO change of winning. Being less than what was promoted is not the same as having ZERO chance.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Actually, I was replying to someone who said that some people would have NO change of winning. Being less than what was promoted is not the same as having ZERO chance.

Well... i’m not a mathematician... but i still have concerns. If the tickets are randomly selected, it’s possible there will be some people who do not make it into a batch of 100 because the total prize limit has already been reached.

I think there’s two parts to this? Being randomly selected into the batch of 100, and then the 1 in 100 chance of winning. According to the promo, everyone HAS to make it into a batch of 100. How is that possible under the rules?

Maybe they don’t plan on selling that many tickets?

 

[Vic]

Well... i’m not a mathematician... but i still have concerns. If the tickets are randomly selected, it’s possible there will be some people who do not make it into a batch of 100 because the total prize limit has already been reached.

I think there’s two parts to this? Being randomly selected into the batch of 100, and then the 1 in 100 chance of winning. According to the promo, everyone HAS to make it into a batch of 100. How is that possible under the rules?

Maybe they don’t plan on selling that many tickets?

An entry is a booking, not a ticket.

I read that as determining the number of prize winners drawn.
1. 201 entries = 2 prize winners drawn from the 201 entries
2. 299 entries = 2 prize winners drawn from the 299 entries
3. 301 entries = 3 prize winners drawn from the 301 entries.

the minimum number of prizes is 200 x $4999 plus 1 x $200, which would be equivalent to 20, 100 entries (read bookings) in 2 weeks. 1435 bookings per day, if every booking costs $4999+ (and one for $200).

But the average booking cost is going to be more like $500 (random number pulled from the air). Now they can give out 2000 prizes based on the value limit, meaning 200 000 bookings or 14285 bookings per day. If those 2000 prizes come from 200 099 bookings then the chance of winning a prize goes from 1% to 0.9995%

I honestly see the point in theory, but I'm really not sure there will be problem in practice.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Yes, booking is right because you could have multiple tickets on the one booking.

The odds might drop, but that’s not what is being marketed! What is marketed is 1 in 100.

I would have actually seen the draw slightly differently to you...

If 201 tickets were sold, there would have to be three draws... because if there were only 2, the 201st person has zero chance of winning. If 301 tickets were sold, there’d need to be four draws, and so on...

 

[odysseus]

Actually, I was replying to someone who said that some people would have NO change of winning. Being less than what was promoted is not the same as having ZERO chance.

Actually he wrote " it would be something less? "

That isn't ZERO.

 

[Vic]

Actually he wrote " it would be something less? "

That isn't ZERO.

or not...

I have some concerns about this promo!

The booking period is 9 November to 22 November, but the draw is on 14 December. The total prize pool is $1 million. Winners will only be drawn until the $1 million is reached.

I'm not sure the promo is actually 1 in 100 will win. It's something like 1 in 100 *might* win. But my concern is that people may be buying tickets before the promo closes and actually have no chance of winning?

Apparently, more words are needed. The discussion started from this post, note the words in bold. It's a conversation that developed over a number of posts that has a logical thread from this start. Can we get back on topic?

 

[Vic]

Yes, booking is right because you could have multiple tickets on the one booking.

The odds might drop, but that’s not what is being marketed! What is marketed is 1 in 100.

I would have actually seen the draw slightly differently to you...

If 201 tickets were sold, there would have to be three draws... because if there were only 2, the 201st person has zero chance of winning. If 301 tickets were sold, there’d need to be four draws, and so on...

That's not how I read the full terms and conditions which say:

"One (1) winner will be randomly drawn per 100 Eligible Entries "

So in the case of 201 eligible entries, there are only 2 winners to be randomly drawn. Since there are only 2 groups of 100 entries. but those 2 winners will be drawn from the full set of 201 entries. The 201st entries does have a chance to win. The conditions set the number of potential winners to be selected, but they don't define that the winner has to come from each block of 100.

If I change the analogy to 202 entries:
Your interpretation: 1 winner out of the first 100 entries (1 to 100), and 1 from the second 100 entries (101 to 200) nothing for 201 and 202.
My version: there will only be two winners, which could be 201 and 202. I don't see any time of entry requirement.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Thanks Vic. Got it now. Difference between reading what I *thought* it said, and what it *actually* said!

I guess they must be confident they will not exceed the $1m.