Today Tonight Qantas/CASA Standards Story

[jsd]

QANTAS FANS DO NOT WANT TO WATCH THIS REPORT, YOU'LL CURSE THE TV MULTIPLE TIMES LIKE I DID

Is anyone watching the TT story on Qantas/CASA safety standards on channel 7, apparently TT have gotten their mitts on a number of QF maintenance documents that apparently list large amounts of defects on QF aircraft

One of these supposed documents apparently contained info on a 744 that had over 400 defects on one plane after it has been serviced overseas (which I find hard to believe personally)

So, is this al true or have the media finally pushed the limits of QF bashing?

Opinions?


Josh

 

[anat0l]

May not surprise me in a way, unless it's one of those that is out of service at the moment and not actually flying, of which then that would be a kind of beat up.

I haven't got TT on at the moment though. Perhaps someone else who has watched it can chime in.

 

[markis10]

One of these supposed documents apparently contained info on a 744 that had over 400 defects on one plane (which I find hard to believe personally)

So, is this al true or have the media finally pushed the limits of QF bashing?

Opinions?


Josh

Josh,

lets get the context right, your sentence should say "One of these supposed documents apparently contained info on a 744 that had over 400 defects on one plane after it has been serviced overseas", I dont find that hard to believe given a defect is anything wrong. A D check is 56 days with up to 100 engineers working on the aircraft, 400 issues at the end is not great but not terrible either, especially as they were documented.

 

[samh004]

I don’t watch TT or channel 7 when I can avoid it, however surely all a/c have defects, just they might not affect the operation of the a/c. Like, maybe an armrest is loose, or a seat has a glitch with it’s TV? Unless TT can prove and list all 400 defects on that 744 relate to it’s ability to fly, it’s not really a biggie.

Would be seriously funny if the 744 in question was one not in service and they simply didn’t check their facts

 

[jsd]

Josh,

lets get the context right, your sentence should say "One of these supposed documents apparently contained info on a 744 that had over 400 defects on one plane after it has been serviced overseas", I dont find that hard to believe given a defect is anything wrong.

Apologies, I was half way through tea when I noticed it on the TV, I missed the overseas maintenance facilities part

 

[drron]

This is the continuation of the old story from 2-3 years ago.Has come up again as TT has won an FOI appeal to get CASA to release more documents.Basically the airline engineers knocking overseas servicing.Of course both sides have agendas.
Will need to see what the further documents reveal.

 

[serfty]

This is the continuation of the old story from 2-3 years ago.Has come up again as TT has won an FOI appeal to get CASA to release more documents.Basically the airline engineers knocking overseas servicing.Of course both sides have agendas.
Will need to see what the further documents reveal.

The agendas may have run out of puff since they reached an agreement in the last few months.

 

[straitman]

I see that there was a certain amount of fact in the story BUT it only showed a very one sided story. There was no comparison to any servicing done in Australia and no mention of the fact that if there was no maintenance allowed in foreign ports that there would be aircraft spread all over the world. ... and a bunch of other things.

Something a little more up to date would be interesting in light of the agreement mentioned in the previous post by serfty.

 

[serfty]

I just watch the article online. Only issue of any substance to me was a part that has fallen loose preventing some flaps on a 763 properly deploying, forcing it to land 50 faster than normal. This was shortly aver an overseas check. This was immediately followed by a shot of the Garuda 738 burning up after landing way too fast.

Today Tonight on Yahoo!7

Questions I have on this:

• When did the 763 landing "fast" even occur?
• Was the part that had come loose in the list of things that must be checked for that particular aircraft's recent service?
• Is there an incident report that can be accessed to verify?
• Exactly how dangerous was this "fast" landing in reality?

Of course there was the standard library video clip of the "Stapled Wiring", which apparently was done in DRW. Although TodTon implied in earlier reports this was done overseas.

 

[munitalP]

the problem with Today Tonight and the other one is they are mainly paid infomercials. There would be a high probability that this "report" was funded by whichever union supports the Australian AC Engineers.

I refuse to watch these programs for reasons such as this

Legally they are doing nothing wrong, morally? Is it fair to offer a condemning report without offering a control subject as well? I think no, but when we rely on others to make morally correct decisions, over a money making / profit venture - I don't need to answer that...

munitalP

 

[markis10]

• When did the 763 landing "fast" even occur?
• Was the part that had come loose in the list of things that must be checked for that particular aircraft's recent service?
• Is there an incident report that can be accessed to verify?
• Exactly how dangerous was this "fast" landing in reality?

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I cannot find any incident in the last ten years that matches in the ATSB database, why am I not surprised, did find a few that seem to indicate local issues with maintenance.

 

[jsd]

Thank for posting the story video link serfty, just going over it again now.

But hold on what do we have here, at 3m 09sec the image clearly shows a SIA maintenance facility, now call me dumb charlie but aren't SIA planes serviced there too, if so wouldn't some of them also have the same kind of engineering defects as (apparently, I'm not taking sides, but I'm leaning towards pro-QF) the QF aircraft that have these long lists of supposed defects?

I feel someone somewhere isn't giving the full story, of course this has nothing to do with the CASA but you get my point, what does the Singapore aviation authority say about this same facility?


Josh

 

[markis10]

Singapore is not a true democracy so I doubt you will here much about anything that is essentially anti government or not deemed to be good for the population, such as anti SQ talk.

 

[NM]

There are at least 300 faults on every QF 744 - every seat has IFE

 

[pauly7]

There are at least 300 faults on every QF 744 - every seat has IFE

Haha

There are at least 150 faults on every DJ 737 - their pax! Lol.

As a advertiser who pays TT to get stories on there - it's a 30 minute commercial. You got cash, you have a story. Period. This now increasingly applies to the commercial networks news as well

ABC and SBS is about all we can't touch.. For now....!

 

[Peter Timmins]

The decision that led to the release of documents under the Freedom of Information Act is discussed in a post on the Open and Shut blog on 8 July-Airline safety audit reports not exempt ( this site doesn't like my link )

TT finished last night saying more to come when they actually get their hands on them-all that shuffling of documents must have been old stuff.

 

[serfty]

... (this site doesn't like my link ) ...

Welcome to AFF.

Open and Shut: Airline safety audit reports not exempt

 

[yohy?!]

I found the report to very unfairly targeted at Qantas (QANTAS = CASA WTF??) - I'd be more concerned in finding which other airlines are using the line maintenance facilities they mentioned in HKG and SIN that were being used prior to crashes happening (I think the AMS crash was one of the one mentioned).