- Mar 22, 2005
I’ve been paying bus-fare prices for a ride-share trip to work since May last year ... the concept works for me, and my busted knees.I've been using Uber as I'm trying to save money but even after all these years I don't really believe in the ride sharing concept. I'll use Uber but not comfortable using Uber with family.
I think they've sort-of got a point. What's the point of having industrial relations laws & minimum wages & workplace safety laws if companies can hire people in a different way & not have any of those responsibilities to the people working for them?Quick! The sky is falling in!
Australia should join this push back. Until then, the only tip Australians should be giving to Uber is to be good to their drivers. Or we’ll make them.
Workplace law, bypass schemes have been around for many years. If it becomes too blantent the Gov't steps in with changes to the law. The thing I find strange is that so many people continually moan about AU being a 'nanny-state" but then also moan when those nanny laws are circumvented.I think they've sort-of got a point. What's the point of having industrial relations laws & minimum wages & workplace safety laws if companies can hire people in a different way & not have any of those responsibilities to the people working for them?
Also nothing to do with tipping … but my problem with Uber as a consumer (rather than as a person watching our society go down the tubes) is the quality of the drivers.I would believe it's a small subset of drivers who don't actually want to work hard, who want to get paid for doing nothing, who have a bad work ethic, that want to be regular employees instead of contractors, because I wouldn't be surprised if as a regular employee with all the benefits that entails, that Uber would take a larger cut. So if Australia went down that model, I'd support Uber taking more cash from drivers, but I know it would be the dying taxi industry that has pushed for it, and probably a few drivers who don't know what hard work is.
Different country and different legislation, but I see it needed the drivers to take Uber to the tribunal to get the ruling on the application of legislation, rather than the UK Gov't getting involved. It's also pertinent that the ruling was made in Dec 18 and Uber has indicated an appeal is likely and that there was descent among the presiding parties. Perhaps Uber drivers in Australia should follow suit to clear up the waters if they're feeling aggrieved?
And note the comment in the cited report that if the Uber appeal fails, the extra costs will be passed onto users.
I wonder if this would influence (1) usage, and (2) tipping.
I think Uber (and the others) should indeed be shoved kicking and screaming under the legislative microscope, but I'm guessing they already have and the fact they are still operating after all these years indicates they are compliant, perhaps even if only by default.
Actually, in the case of NSW, they were kicking and screaming to the extent that they blocked investigators phones from using their service. They also ran a massive PR campaign along the nanny state lines, as well as emphasising they were the young upstart pushing back against bullying and poor serving taxi companies (who certainly had their own issues), such that they got public support at the time, which got the government to change the legislation in their favour.
It was all too hard to actually enforce the laws they were breaking against them, so they got the law changed.
I think in other countries, they got less public support - or likely the taxi operations weren't as bad as here, so the public didn't see as much benefit from switching to them. As a result, they haven't been as successful in their PR campaign to be accepted by the law in other countries as here.
in the ACT they dealt with it by issuing masses more plates at a small price - maybe $20,000. The theory was it would bring many more taxis.The main difference of taxi vs Uber in AU though is the barriers to entry, isn't it? i.e. the cost for a 'plate' for a taxi driver is quite an investment, hence why there's higher prices/more outcry, etc? I believe it's the same here in the UK with Black Cabs and / or Minicabs vs Uber.
The main difference of taxi vs Uber in AU though is the barriers to entry, isn't it? i.e. the cost for a 'plate' for a taxi driver is quite an investment, hence why there's higher prices/more outcry, etc? I believe it's the same here in the UK with Black Cabs and / or Minicabs vs Uber.
Goes to show the problems associated with protectionism. If the taxi's weren't so well protected for so many years and got so smug and lazy, they may have been back on top by now. Out of curiosity more than anything, were the laws actually changed, or were they simply let lie?? If the laws were changed, there may be bugger all that can now be done.