Tipping Rules

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Is that how you think wives are treated in the UAE? Having lived in the Middle East and having several Arab families who I'd count as friends, I'd beg to differ...
But essentially, if you are a visitor in a country, you should accept the culture that is there. Consider how offended people get if a Chinese tourist doesn't queue properly or whatever in Australia, a very common Australian saying 'if you don't like it, @#$# off'...

I don't know how awful and pointless it would be to travel if you don't want to accept and respect the cultures of the countries you visit.

Just because you don't agree with an aspect of another countries culture, doesn't mean you shouldn't visit nor does it mean you always have to align yourself with it.

I can think of a long list of Australian laws/ways of life I disagree with.. just because I disagree with them doesn't mean I should "get out".

It would really restrict my travel plans if I was like bam1748 and didn't visit countries that I didn't 100% agree with.
 
Just because you don't agree with an aspect of another countries culture, doesn't mean you shouldn't visit nor does it mean you always have to align yourself with it.

I can think of a long list of Australian laws/ways of life I disagree with.. just because I disagree with them doesn't mean I should "get out".

It would really restrict my travel plans if I was like bam1748 and didn't visit countries that I didn't 100% agree with.

Yes exactly. If we all had that view, some of us would never visit Victoria! :)
 
I do try to avoid Victoria but alas QFF often make F awards via MEL.Sacre Bleu.
 
Just because you don't agree with an aspect of another countries culture, doesn't mean you shouldn't visit nor does it mean you always have to align yourself with it.

I can think of a long list of Australian laws/ways of life I disagree with.. just because I disagree with them doesn't mean I should "get out".

It would really restrict my travel plans if I was like bam1748 and didn't visit countries that I didn't 100% agree with.


Yes, I disagree with many middle eastern countires laws, so I don't visit them. If you want want to please go ahead I'm not stopping you. I simply wouldn't enjoy it because of my principles on various things and of course I don't expect others to have the same standards. :mrgreen:

From the Human Rights Watch website.....sure you can find a problem with all countries.

https://www.hrw.org/middle-east/n-africa/united-arab-emirates

[FONT=&amp]The United Arab Emirates (UAE) often uses its affluence to mask the government’s serious human rights problems. The government arbitrarily detains, and in some cases forcibly disappears, individuals who criticized the authorities, and its security forces face allegations of torturing detainees. A new anti-discrimination law further jeopardizes free speech and is discriminatory, as it excludes references to gender and sexuality. Authorities denied access to the country to activists who criticized the UAE’s mistreatment of migrant workers. Labor abuses persist, as migrant construction workers facing serious exploitation. Female domestic workers are excluded from regulations that apply to workers in other sectors.[/FONT]
 
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I am seriously missing the point.

Wouldn't it be much easier for restaurant owners to do away with "expected" tipping, pay their staff more and increase prices to compensate?

Careful JohnK, too much common sense isn't allowed. LOL
Actually when I was last in NY last year I thought the prices in the middle tier restaurants we tend to frequent were expensive enough without automatically being slugged an extra 20% for gratuities. The service we received in a couple of places certainly didn't warrant a tip at all so it's annoying not to be given any option. The theory behind tips is that they reward (and therefore encourage) better service but the US approach certainly doesn't achieve that aim at all.
 
Tipping only became a thing in the US when the 18th amendment was passed. Before that it was seen as a bribe and discouraged.
When the 18th banned the sale of liquor, staff wages were cut due to reduced patronage of restaurants and restaurant owners encouraged staff to take the bribes.
When the 21st amendment overturned the 18th, wages were not returned to prior levels.
 
I don't know how awful and pointless it would be to travel if you don't want to accept and respect the cultures of the countries you visit.
I travel to Thailand regularly, my wife is Thai and baby daughter is half Thai.

I don't like most aspects of Thai culture. I hate their outlook on life and their total disregard for human life which mainly comes from their religious beliefs which by the way I don't respect or agree with and barely tolerate while I am here. I just don't make a fuss of it in public.

All of this doesn't mean I don't enjoy my time here. Far from it.

There are many countries I refuse to visit and have no desire to visit. The USA isn't one of them. I will continue to visit and tip only where I want to tip (and I decide how much I tip) not where someone doesn't get paid enough and I am expected to make up their salary. That's not my concern. I sleep quite well at night.

P.S. I have met more than my fair share of USA tourists in Thailand who work mainly for tips back home. Let's just say they are better off than me and I am in a decent paying job. I refuse to tip them.
 
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I would suggest you tip the higher level at a steakhouse as the staff there have access to steak Knives. I don't like tipping where a meal is a fail but that rarely happens. We had a pretty unusual dinner service at the Chophouse in Sydney so we wouldn't bother to go back anytime soon. Tipping in Australia is voluntary so if we do tip it is for exceptional service and we don't put it on a credit card. Cash tends to get to the staff rather than the business.
It is true that prices in the US at great dining places have jumped but so too in Australia.
The Langham lunch yesterday was $84 a head in Melbourne because of archaic labour pay rates and conditions.that may get reviewed in December or later.

Do you punish the waiter for the chef's cough up?
 
I travel to Thailand regularly, my wife is Thai and baby daughter is half Thai.

I don't like most aspects of Thai culture. I hate their outlook on life and their total disregard for human life which mainly comes from their religious beliefs which by the way I don't respect or agree with and barely tolerate while I am here. I just don't make a fuss of it in public.

All of this doesn't mean I don't enjoy my time here. Far from it.

There are many countries I refuse to visit and have no desire to visit. The USA isn't one of them. I will continue to visit and tip only where I want to tip (and I decide how much I tip) not where someone doesn't get paid enough and I am expected to make up their salary. That's not my concern. I sleep quite well at night.

P.S. I have met more than my fair share of USA tourists in Thailand who work mainly for tips back home. Let's just say they are better off than me and I am in a decent paying job. I refuse to tip them.

I am confused as to how the ethnicity of your wife and daughter relates to the thread . my wife is 1/4 Italian, it doesn't affect the way we tip or not when we are in Italy
 
I am confused as to how the ethnicity of your wife and daughter relates to the thread . my wife is 1/4 Italian, it doesn't affect the way we tip or not when we are in Italy
In a way that I can still enjoy all aspects of Thailand without agreeing to their way of life.

There was mention by a few people that you need to embrace the culture of a country otherwise don't visit as you won't enjoy the visit. That's not true.

I will visit the USA to see all the wonderful landmarks, take my daughter to Disneyland and Disneyworld and I will tip when when I want to tip not where someone expects me to tip.
 
Do you punish the waiter for the chef's cough up?

That's a major problem with tipping culture, though. The tip you give is supposed to be for the waiting service but often it boils down to the entire service which is not within the control of the waiting service, unless it is also their prerogative to check the food properly before it arrives at the table (e.g. if it looks like the prawn is raw and the kitchen didn't catch it before sending out to the table, should the waiter/waitress take it on their responsibility to flag that rather than deliver it, then inform and apologise to the customer?)

I don't know how well Americans understand this point when they tip.


Australians are another bunch. If something goes wrong, we usually complain first and hope it gets fixed in some way, although that "some way" may just be that the food is reprepared properly; in the USA, in order to maintain one's tip, you would probably expect the dish to be comped or something else (e.g. a drink).

The ultimate insult in the USA in retaliation for an unresolved conflict is to leave no tip or leave without paying the bill. In Australia, it'd be possibly to lodge a chargeback (unlikely) and never patronise them again (and maybe name and shame to some social media site).

The ultimate compliment to a restaurant in the USA is to leave a bigger tip, even though it still goes to the waiting service and not the chef who possibly made the meal fantastic (or was at least partly responsible for it). The same ultimate compliment in Australia is to give a glowing, verbal commendation to the manager, hoping that the latter will see to an appropriate recognition and possibly reward for the contributing staff members... oh, and repeat business, too.


Come to think of it, I'm not sure what is more troublesome - determining how much to tip in the USA, or determining the value of the final bill after the taxes are added.
 
Actually the ultimate insult is to tip one cent.Then there is no doubt you are doing it for a reason and just not forgotten to tip.
But then be prepared to state exactly why they deserved no more than one cent.And yes I have done it,in New York as well.
 
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Actually the ultimate insult is to tip one cent.Then there is no doubt you are doing it for a reason and just not forgotten to tip.
But then be prepared to state exactly why they deserved no more than one cent.And yes I have done it,in New York as well.

The entire country is messed up. I try to avoid it.
 
The entire country is messed up. I try to avoid it.

Whilst it is your choice where in this world you spend your time and I don't know why you feel negatively towards the county, personally I find the US to be a wonderful part of the world. Don't judge the county based on hollywood / the news / the government. I say that because I've known many a person whom has had a dislike of the US without ever actually going there.
 
I have a few mates who work in the hospitality industry and they tell me it's not uncommon for front of house staff to split the tips with back of house. Ultimately it takes both to make a diner's experience an enjoyable one (or not so).
 
I have a few mates who work in the hospitality industry and they tell me it's not uncommon for front of house staff to split the tips with back of house. Ultimately it takes both to make a diner's experience an enjoyable one (or not so).
Yes I've been told this by waitstaff in the US. Maybe true. Normally back of house are on proper wages and health care etc..
 
Tipping was once regarded as Un American. A while ago Fox classics showed an early1930s film starring Bette Davis, Leslie Howard and a new young actor called Humphrey Bogart.
It was set in a remote service station diner. Above the counter was a big sign “saying keep your change no tipping”. The waitress even drew it to the attention of one of the customers when strongly rejecting a tip.


This all seemed odd. So I got onto Wikipedia and other internet sources and sure enough there was an active anti tipping push in the USA in the early 20[SUP]th[/SUP] century.
It was suggested that America should not adopt this European habit of as it created a master and serf relationship.


As an earlier poster suggested there was also a lot of concern that it was a form of bribery.


However “when in Rome”….


One thing that does irritate me though is Canadians expecting an American level of tipping when they have minimum wages and better welfare.
 
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Whilst it is your choice where in this world you spend your time and I don't know why you feel negatively towards the county, personally I find the US to be a wonderful part of the world. Don't judge the county based on hollywood / the news / the government. I say that because I've known many a person whom has had a dislike of the US without ever actually going there.

I've been to the US more times than you've had cold lunches. People are lovely, and there's no doubt about prosperity, but it's greed which makes the country unattractive in a multitude of ways.

The arguments for retaining tipping and not paying employees properly are poor -- at best. The logic is similar as to why the country needs more guns.

But at the end of the day, like most things in that country - you can tip whatever you're guilt-tripped into paying you want.
 
I actually don't understand why they keep up the pretense that tipping is something optional. Just do what most business friendly nations (that allow "click bait" pricing - although granted no click associated with restaurants) do, bring in a service charge hidden in 4 point font at the bottom of the menu, like across most of Asia. :rolleyes: Same thing really.

The trouble is when you come from a place where used to all-in pricing it takes a while to mentally adjust that the advertised $100 really means $130. Not that many countries do all in pricing that like we are used to in Australia (credit card surcharges excepted).

When you think about it .. which is worse, tipping a low paid worker, or a multinational hotel chain who add in a 10% "service charge" ?
 
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