Tigerair Quits Bali

[Bagpuss]

Thought it would happen ....

Tigerair permanently withdraws from Bali | Australian Aviation

 

[Denali]

The Facebook and Twitter complaints are going to be interesting to read over the next few days.

 

[Bagpuss]

The Facebook and Twitter complaints are going to be interesting to read over the next few days.

Haha indeed. Of course they are blame Tiger and I dont think it's was really Tiger's fault. They probably got away with operating flights somehow for almost a year.

Lucky for them they are now able to use the 737-800's domestically so I guess they will try and exit the a320's a bit quicker as I dont think adding capacity with make them any $$$

 

[Jet L]

They were using Virgin Australia's Air Operator Certificate and for some reason they can't anymore so they stopped

 

[grubbidok]

So does this mean VA are going to recommence those routes, or are they giving up on Bali too?

 

[samh004]

So does this mean VA are going to recommence those routes, or are they giving up on Bali too?

I'd imagine the former route was loss making so they'll drop it sooner than make more losses.

 

[yohy?!]

VA may be able to sell the flights themselves with a wet-lease to TT to operate, thereby accessing their lower cost base?

 

[Bagpuss]

VA may be able to sell the flights themselves with a wet-lease to TT to operate, thereby accessing their lower cost base?

Humm, that is really back to square one which ended up with TT having issues.

Question is .. was it actually profitable for TT?

 

[Bagpuss]

So does this mean VA are going to recommence those routes, or are they giving up on Bali too?

VA did say they expected to transfer the current Bali services over to TT depending on profitability. Naturally that wont happen now.

Said it before and I'll say it again ... VA should just stick with being a domestic only airline, in which when JB joined he was 24 hours away from pulling the plug on all international operations.

 

[eastwest101]

This looks to me to be going from a very unfortunate turn of events to an outright cluster.

So now we have a sub-fleet all Y configured TT B738s that was created soley for the range to do some of the longer TT sectors from DPS to Australia, crews partially trained, and doubtful authority for TT to operate the services to DPS. What a waste of paint, crew hours, paperwork, reconfig costs and yet another complication and duplication of resources of what should have been a fairly simple fleet plan for both VA and for TT. And just when TT were starting to get some traction and starting to make money their customer perception reputation is flushed down the toilet again?

I think VA and TT management need to have a good sit down and work out what they want to be, and then what and if they want TT to be (and then relaunch and simplify their airlines, fleet and products according to a sensible plan). And then get permission to do this without interference from their different dispirate owners to make it happen and stop making things up on the run....otherwise stuff like this will continue to happen. Right now their corporate structure, planning, fleet and balance sheet is a hot steaming complicated mess.

 

[Bagpuss]

Tigerair are moving to all Y configured B738 fleet anyway so there's absolutely no issue there. The TT B738 fleet started operating domestically on 1st Feb.

 

[pauly7]

This looks to me to be going from a very unfortunate turn of events to an outright cluster.

So now we have a sub-fleet all Y configured TT B738s that was created soley for the range to do some of the longer TT sectors from DPS to Australia, crews partially trained, and doubtful authority for TT to operate the services to DPS. What a waste of paint, crew hours, paperwork, reconfig costs and yet another complication and duplication of resources of what should have been a fairly simple fleet plan for both VA and for TT. And just when TT were starting to get some traction and starting to make money their customer perception reputation is flushed down the toilet again?

I think VA and TT management need to have a good sit down and work out what they want to be, and then what and if they want TT to be (and then relaunch and simplify their airlines, fleet and products according to a sensible plan). And then get permission to do this without interference from their different dispirate owners to make it happen and stop making things up on the run....otherwise stuff like this will continue to happen. Right now their corporate structure, planning, fleet and balance sheet is a hot steaming complicated mess.

What an absolute mess. A couple more heads will roll for this for sure.... surely VA (although they were loss making routes in a loss making airline) will have to throw some flights on, otherwise they are simply handing the Qantas group a early Xmas present. JQ will be writhing in delight with this development. And if QF itself can extract a profitable yield from their recent relaunched flights, surely VA can??

 

[CPMaverick]

if QF itself can extract a profitable yield from their recent relaunched flights, surely VA can??

I'm not sure the logic works that if one airline is profitable on a route, a new competitor (increasing route capacity) will be?

 

[pauly7]

I'm not sure the logic works that if one airline is profitable on a route, a new competitor (increasing route capacity) will be?

VA were there first. I'm interested to understand why they weren't/haven't been able to make money. Lots of legacy and history I'm sure.

 

[oz_mark]

. And if QF itself can extract a profitable yield from their recent relaunched flights, surely VA can??

Qantas releaunched flights from Sydney to Denpasar. Virgin never withdrew from Sydney to Denpasar.

 

[pauly7]

Qantas releaunched flights from Sydney to Denpasar. Virgin never withdrew from Sydney to Denpasar.

Correct.... so why can't they make money on them?

 

[Bagpuss]

Correct.... so why can't they make money on them?

Well Virgin do make money out of them from Sydney.

Markets are different. Being in Perth you can get to Bali very cheap ... I think Tigerair had $199 return. Tiger is different to VA. You have to factor in Virgin had business class seats which wouldn't really being used, so they would have had empty seats, the VA crew would have been on a higher salary and stay probably overnight, whereas the Tiger crew probably dont overnight or stay in a cheaper hotel.

At the end of the day the Tigerair B737's are owned by Virgin and flown by Virgin pilots, so TT didn't have any cost saving over cheaper pilots / pilot conditions or lower aircraft charges.

 

[Bagpuss]

Also remember that Air Asia pulled off of Sydney to Bali.

 

[Daver6]

Markets are different. Being in Perth you can get to Bali very cheap ... I think Tigerair had $199 return. Tiger is different to VA. You have to factor in Virgin had business class seats which wouldn't really being used, so they would have had empty seats, the VA crew would have been on a higher salary and stay probably overnight, whereas the Tiger crew probably dont overnight or stay in a cheaper hotel.

I can only comment on the PER - DPS I did a couple of years ago. Both directions the J cabin was full (not Y pax seated in J).

Sure VA was dearer than the el cheapo dodgy brother airlines, however there are people who are prepared to pay that premium.

 

[Pushka]

So now we only have Jetstar to Bali from ADL.