Tiger enters SYD-OOL..what next?

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Tiger are to launch a 1 Daily flight from SYD-OOL from 15th December. Tapping one of JQ's most profitable routes I assume. 1 Daily would do zero effect I think, mabye on dead days they might grab a plane load of pax from VB/J*, but hopefully they will up these flights soon.

What next I wonder. Perhaps a new Alice Springs route or even a Mackay run would be greatful.
 
Dont they already fly to Mackay and Alice (from MEL)?


I'd say newcastle, but it's already overserved IMO (have a look at how often JQ and DJ have specials on BNE-NTL, MEL-NTL etc).


They really need to add BNE if they're serious.
 
Tiger already tried and failed on MEL-NTL. What wasn't publicised is that the SYD-OOL is coming at the expense of a SYD-MEL service from which they are retreating already. Constantly chopping and changing their schedules will not win them any fans.
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Agree with you Dave - I for one have no idea where and how often they actually fly anywhere.

I "know" i'm likely to be able to book a QF, DJ flight to pretty much anywhere anytime i want to travel (wihtin reason), and JQ to a lesser extent.
 
They really do give the impression that they are trying out all these different routes to see what works and what doesn't.

You surely couldn't book a few months in advance as you would be risking them changing the route.

ejb
 
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The word "shambolic" springs to mind everytime I read the words Tiger Airlines.
 
The way they keep changing their schedules reeks of desperation.

If you are going to enter a certain market then you have to expect initial loadings wont be the greatest.

Still, with all the horror stories of flight cancellations i doubt i'll risk flying them, even if they are cheap enough.
 
Let's all bash Tiger again. Why not?

No-one is forcing anyone to fly them, and as long as there is a place in this world for Formule 1 hotels, Rent-a-Bomb car rentals, cheap Chinese electronics brands and the Reject Shop, there will be a place in the world for Tiger.

I'm personally not a fan, but I wonder without Tiger, domestically would we back in the cosy old duopoly days again?
 
To clarify i'm not "bashing" them, merely passing comment that their route planning and ability of (this) consumer to identifiy when and where they fly is impaired and needs clarity to broaden their appeal.

I'm sure if they fly their various routes with an acceptable load factor they'll make money, but if they really want to grow as they have often espoused, there needs to be less flight cancellations and more clarity and frequency of destinations.
 
Tiger already tried and failed on MEL-NTL. What wasn't publicised is that the SYD-OOL is coming at the expense of a SYD-MEL service from which they are retreating already. Constantly chopping and changing their schedules will not win them any fans.
Worst case scenario is getting put on a flight 45mins later or the choice of any flight of your choice within the 14day window of your travel date. JQ/DJ sure dont provide that flexibility when they change a flight. For $28, I dont think people would give really give a toss, but for a $95 Virgin fare, some would be a little more annoyed.

I'm personally not a fan, but I wonder without Tiger, domestically would we back in the cosy old duopoly days again?
Absolutely right. We need Tiger around to keep these fares down, just look at the impact already. Although there still is a monopoly here. For instance you can travel from one side of the states, to the other and back for less than a one way trip on Virgin to Perth. IMO DJ have the monopoly on many routes (out of PER, BNE for example), and for their LCC style product, its quite a joke. Look at PB on New Zealand Domestic, still charging more than ANZ, sending out planes empty every day, whats the damn point?
 
Let's all bash Tiger again. Why not?

No-one is forcing anyone to fly them, and as long as there is a place in this world for Formule 1 hotels, Rent-a-Bomb car rentals, cheap Chinese electronics brands and the Reject Shop, there will be a place in the world for Tiger.

I'm personally not a fan, but I wonder without Tiger, domestically would we back in the cosy old duopoly days again?
dajop,

I agree with docjames in that people are simply commenting with their thoughts on Tiger. Personally I have no desire or need to fly Tiger though one day it may happen. I just won't happen when I have a need to be somewhere on time.

The constant changes certainly reek of desperation, when they are losing a fortune, but it would be a shame if they were not there for the reasons that you mention.
 
I agree with docjames in that people are simply commenting with their thoughts on Tiger.

I know must people are just expressing thoughts and perhaps "bashing" is probably a bit strong a word :oops: (and I wasn't referring to docjames post ). But there are often threads that just go on about how desperate, cough etc Tiger are - which I am sure there is more than a grain of truth in these comments, but you just can't look at Tiger through the QF/DJ paradigm. They are a niche player that is not chasing the corporate buck (even MEL/SYD which I took as a move get some bucks out of the leisure market between the two cities) and have never pretended to be anything other than the "$2 shop" of airlines. I'd say FF'ers (and in particular AFF'ers) are not quite who they're catering for.... ;)
 
Worst case scenario is getting put on a flight 45mins later or the choice of any flight of your choice within the 14day window of your travel date. JQ/DJ sure dont provide that flexibility when they change a flight. For $28, I dont think people would give really give a toss, but for a $95 Virgin fare, some would be a little more annoyed.

Absolutely right. We need Tiger around to keep these fares down, just look at the impact already. Although there still is a monopoly here. For instance you can travel from one side of the states, to the other and back for less than a one way trip on Virgin to Perth. IMO DJ have the monopoly on many routes (out of PER, BNE for example), and for their LCC style product, its quite a joke. Look at PB on New Zealand Domestic, still charging more than ANZ, sending out planes empty every day, whats the damn point?

Never had a problem with Tiger, their punctuality (maybe not in Oz) is exemplary.

As for Virgin in NZ, they deserve to be screwed. What a bunch of carpetbaggers. And the product is hopeless (or worse).
 
Don't forget DJ were at one time the 'Tiger Airline' of the Oz aviation industry...operating out of sheds at various airports...scrambling with only a few planes to keep schedules, etc. Then Ansett went bust and DJ were in the right place at the right time, the rest is history.

DJ used to be a 'LCC' but not sure what happened to that concept...using Webjet makes it very obvious that DJ are charging premium pricing on many routes in line with QF and in some cases more than QF (but the meals aren't free...a LCC 'feature' that remains).

Now with Tiger flying SYD-MEL it's amazing how cheap airfares on this route are overall across DJ/JQ & QF.

A prime example of the 'Tiger' effect are the routes of MEL-OOL vs MEL-BNE, where MEL-OOL is serviced by Tiger and keeps the JQ & DJ fares very competitive, but fares on the BNE route are 50%-100% higher for almost the same distance...and alas no 'Tiger' effect.

(Trying to book a MEL-BNE return flight late Nov....DJ wants almost $300 return whereas I could fly via SYD about $150 with Tiger/JQ connections...how does that make sense?)
 
MEL-BNE now announced. 3 Daily from Late March when the 6th Melbourne A320 arrives. Expansion rates in Asia is been slashed, market has slowed up there. ADL-BNE/ADL-PER will be announced within the next 2 weeks. Now they just about have the golden triangle and I assume SYD-BNE tag service wont be far off as in what they have done to SYD-OOL.

Now is about the time they are becoming a serious threat to JQ, no denying this. I do note that Tiger's loads has risen quite significantly over the last 6 months.

2nd Birthday is coming up in two weeks, so I would wait until then if you want to buy a $25 seat to BNE.
 
DJ used to be a 'LCC' but not sure what happened to that concept...using Webjet makes it very obvious that DJ are charging premium pricing on many routes in line with QF and in some cases more than QF (but the meals aren't free...a LCC 'feature' that remains)

DJ started to change their brand from a LCC to a "New World Carrier" a couple of years ago. IMHO they don't really know what they want to be. They kinda want to be Ansett Mk III (the one that survives) to the business ppl (aka an alternate to QF) and yet a LCC for the holiday makers as well.

To be honest I'm waiting for the day that DJ offers a J service (to all the nay sayers, I say PE \ "The Lounge" \ FF points were never in DJ's original LCC pledge), of course this won't happen until J picks up again for the other carriers. It also wouldn't surprise me if DJ start offering meals as a "Free" inclusion but give the option for people to tick a "I don't want one" checkbox option when booking.

As for TT doing SYD - OOL, it's the ultimate leasure route, I dare say most people who fly into OOL are there for a holiday... (I myself have only once needed to do business in the GC, and for that I still flew into BNE and drove down from there...)
 
DJ started to change their brand from a LCC to a "New World Carrier" a couple of years ago. IMHO they don't really know what they want to be. They kinda want to be Ansett Mk III (the one that survives) to the business ppl (aka an alternate to QF) and yet a LCC for the holiday makers as well.

To be honest I'm waiting for the day that DJ offers a J service (to all the nay sayers, I say PE \ "The Lounge" \ FF points were never in DJ's original LCC pledge), of course this won't happen until J picks up again for the other carriers. It also wouldn't surprise me if DJ start offering meals as a "Free" inclusion but give the option for people to tick a "I don't want one" checkbox option when booking.

As for TT doing SYD - OOL, it's the ultimate leasure route, I dare say most people who fly into OOL are there for a holiday... (I myself have only once needed to do business in the GC, and for that I still flew into BNE and drove down from there...)

I think you could be onto something here.

A carrier who, for want of another term, splits the plane in half, with the front being "full service" and the back being LCC.

I can see the day where DJ starts a J service on "long haul domestic" to capture some of the profitable business market. I guess they almost offer J with their PE now as it includes drinks and food (I think as I have never flown DJ)

I for one hope DJ do keep offering more varied services as it will keep QF on their toes.

ejb
 
(Trying to book a MEL-BNE return flight late Nov....DJ wants almost $300 return whereas I could fly via SYD about $150 with Tiger/JQ connections...how does that make sense?)

It makes sense because you're getting a protected connection, or a direct flight. You can book two seperate tickets on TT/JQ, however you'll need to recheck in SYD and if one of the flights is late then you can kiss you're next sector goodbye and be prepared to be waiting and spending even more money.

LCC to LCC connections are often a good way of saving money, but they are risky and very time consuming. I know for the sake of $150 there's no way I'd be doing it.

IMHO they don't really know what they want to be.

I find it odd that people keep making this assessment. DJ have said many many time that they class themselves as a "New World Carrier" which is somewhere between a full LCC and a legacy carrier. So no, they're not "stuck in the middle", they're exactly where they want to be and are travelling well. And before someone says it, no they didn't only grow because AN went bust. AN had been dying for 10 years and needed to go - DJ just sealed the deal for them.
 
I find it odd that people keep making this assessment.

They fit 180 seats into that 737 and offer pay for just about everything like the others....they are LCC! I would say a carrier like Virgin America would fit into that "New World Carrier'' jargon.
 
They fit 180 seats into that 737 and offer pay for just about everything like the others....they are LCC!

Come on, get real. How on earth can you lump DJ and Tiger together in the same breath as LCCs.

What makes DJ a "new world" carrier? Compared to Tiger it offers the following:
- Frequent flyer program
- Lounges
- Interline connections internationally
- Domestic bag transfer and protected connections
- Status, including limited mutual recognition with another carrier (DL)
- Live to Air, albeit with fee

I am sure there are others.
 
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