Tiger Airways expanding Australian capacity by 65% in 2008. Two A319s to join fleet

[serfty]

... At least AVV is out in the sticks, which in itself causes a whole host of other issues.

True - and at least there had been very regular heavy Jet traffic through AVV for many many years.

 

[dajop]

Sanity to me is being able to travel CBR-SYD-TMW or MEL-SYD-NAA and connecting from the same terminal or at worst another terminal at the same airport.

It would be insane if my only option for the connecting flight was the LCC airport 25kms away.

Yes 100% agree. Just madness, if this were to happen then QF might as well just open a hub at DBO and service MEL-DBO/CBR-DBO/BNE-DBO, with connecting flights to NAA, TMW, ARM, MRZ, etc.

Also this is where the comparison between BWU and AVV is just plain wrong - noone has ever suggested AVV be used for QFLink flights such as MEL-DPO, MQL etc. Instead it is just as good alternative for trunk routes especially to service Geelong/Great Ocean Road area. Think BWU (if politically feasible) could only work likewise - good alternative for trunk routes, servicing Western Sydney but not a substitution of services from SYD.

 

[straitman]

Re: Tiger Airways expanding Australian capacity by 65% in 2008. Two A319s to join fle

True - and at least there had been very regular heavy Jet traffic through AVV for many many years.

By comparison, could Melbourne people imagine using Moorabbin (MBW) as a alternate to MEL.

 

[stuartfaz]

Re: Tiger Airways expanding Australian capacity by 65% in 2008. Two A319s to join fle

Sanity to me is being able to travel CBR-SYD-TMW or MEL-SYD-NAA and connecting from the same terminal or at worst another terminal at the same airport.

It would be insane if my only option for the connecting flight was the LCC airport 25kms away.

Yes 100% agree. Just madness, if this were to happen then QF might as well just open a hub at DBO and service MEL-DBO/CBR-DBO/BNE-DBO, with connecting flights to NAA, TMW, ARM, MRZ, etc.

Also this is where the comparison between BWU and AVV is just plain wrong - noone has ever suggested AVV be used for QFLink flights such as MEL-DPO, MQL etc. Instead it is just as good alternative for trunk routes especially to service Geelong/Great Ocean Road area. Think BWU (if politically feasible) could only work likewise - good alternative for trunk routes, servicing Western Sydney but not a substitution of services from SYD.

I agree with you that the suggestion that BWU be used as a substitute for QFLink or DJ ERJ flights makes little/no sense. Certainly the site is not suitable as a second Sydney airport.

But, if we look at this from the original perspective, being the use of BWU as an alternative to SYD by TT's A319s, then I think it could be suitable.

At the very least, TT would be wise to at least have a look at the BWU option, before settling on a strategy on how they will service Sydney.

 

[docjames]

Re: Tiger Airways expanding Australian capacity by 65% in 2008. Two A319s to join fle

Start building the train line to Richmond now.
Start thinking about the airport in 5 yrs

Seriously this IS the solution. But you can imagine how hard it'll be to get the government on board.

Also, there is a train line, it woul need upgrade not complete construction, and just a short link to airport also. With express services between Richmond and Sydney DOM/INT it would be as easy as BNE and heaps easier than JFK --> Laguadia, or LHR --> Gatwick etc etc.

I think Bankstown is too suburban, and the upgrade cost would be stupid. Plus, where does GA go then? Out to Richmond??

 

[Yada Yada]

To me it's just a crazy idea.

I can't imagine operating 737 size jets out of BWU. At least AVV is out in the sticks, which in itself causes a whole host of other issues.

Exactly, it will simply never happen. More than three years ago Bankstown Airport management began selling and long-term leasing of land around the perimeter to industrial developers. If anything, airport space there is getting smaller.

Start building the train line to Richmond now.
Start thinking about the airport in 5 yrs

As someone else noted above, the train line already exists. It would require duplication but that would be doable. There is a heap of land out there, most of it rural, and the airport itself is quite large so if there will be another Sydney airport, it will be at Richmond.

Nonetheless, SYD with its curfew is nowhere near as busy as places like LHR or SIN so it has heaps of remaining capacity if they terminate the curfew and beef up operations.

 

[docjames]

Exactly, it will simply never happen. More than three years ago Bankstown Airport management began selling and long-term leasing of land around the perimeter to industrial developers. If anything, airport space there is getting smaller.


As someone else noted above, the train line already exists. It would require duplication but that would be doable. There is a heap of land out there, most of it rural, and the airport itself is quite large so if there will be another Sydney airport, it will be at Richmond.

Nonetheless, SYD with its curfew is nowhere near as busy as places like LHR or SIN so it has heaps of remaining capacity if they terminate the curfew and beef up operations.

I cant see SYD curfew being cut any time soon. But Richmond could operate without one. I see it as the only politically viable alternative available to sydney for a second major airport. An easier operational solution would be relax curfew at SYD, but as i;ve stated, that seems unlikely.

 

[straitman]

Re: Tiger Airways expanding Australian capacity by 65% in 2008. Two A319s to join fle

But Richmond could operate without one.

Indeed, Richmond already operates large jets without a curfew.

 

[NM]

Re: Tiger Airways expanding Australian capacity by 65% in 2008. Two A319s to join fle

Indeed, Richmond already operates large jets without a curfew.

And noisy ones too

 

[DownUnderFlyer]

Nonetheless, SYD with its curfew is nowhere near as busy as places like LHR or SIN so it has heaps of remaining capacity if they terminate the curfew and beef up operations.

The logic behind LCC airports is not capacity normally. It is the LC in LCC. The budget carriers in Europe to not fly out of FRA or LHR. They fly out of airports which are called Frankfurt but in reality are 100km away.
Those airport charge much lower fees and the carriers can offer cheaper fares than there competitors at the major airports.

 

[soorox]

Re: Tiger Airways expanding Australian capacity by 65% in 2008. Two A319s to join fle

No! why did they choose ADL as their second hub? OOL would of been much better and would of made them money!!! The decision of staying clear of SYD is a good but I don't know about BNE.