The future of the A380

[jb747]

Perhaps you could check this by observation next time you are there (assuming they are relatively easy to spot and not blocked by hangars or other buildings.)

All you need to do is underutilise them. You'd don't need to make your own version of Pima.

 

[drron]

Hardly a function of the aircraft type though. The AA or CX seats in the A380 would be quite good I imagine - perhaps closest is what QR offers on their A380?

But what I would have to use flying to the USA with QF vs AA.Unlikely ever to fly QR.
PS-if flying via Asia to the USA it is going to be JAL F on Aadvantage awards.

 

[dajop]

But what I would have to use flying to the USA with QF vs AA.

Yes but I think the conclusion isn't that A380 = bad, it's just that QF's A380 product in business class is sub-par It would be nice if they upgraded them to the A330 or better product. I'd argue the seat was out of date before it even flew it's first flight, whereas SQ fit their A380's with all-aisle access seats from the get go. But I guess SQ's seat wasn't designed by Marc Newson. After all that's what makes QF's seat so special. (no reflection personally on Marc Newson, just the hype that QF historically made about his work).

 

[moa999]

And I think its pretty certain that they will get a new First and 787-equivalent Business, and I suspect WiFi

 

[juddles]

At the end of the day I think Tim Clark is right - congestion at airports (lagtime for growth) will put a lot of pressure on having larger planes. I just hope they got it right timing-wise. The A380 is a magnificent aircraft.

 

[Mogul]

At the end of the day I think Tim Clark is right - congestion at airports (lagtime for growth) will put a lot of pressure on having larger planes. I just hope they got it right timing-wise. The A380 is a magnificent aircraft.

As mentioned by JB I think it was A380's can increase congestion at airports rather than relieve it.

 

[codash1099]

And I think its pretty certain that they will get a new First and 787-equivalent Business, and I suspect WiFi

If only wishing would make it so.

I love the A380, but I don't think QF are making the most of it.

 

[Jeffrey O'Neill]

i think boeing got it mainly right by moving towards the point to point route rather than the hub feeder route the A380 tends to rely on.

not moving pax through a hub tends to reduce congestion at some airports, and if you're flying Y then you prob want to fly direct.

funny how airbus and boeing made major stuff ups the last decade.

the A380 has crippled airbus, while the woes of the 787 program, and the 747-8 haven't done boeing any favours either.

if boeing can pull of the 777-X without major delays or cost blowouts i think they have better prospects in terms of a plane that can carry nearly the same number of pax as a 747 and able to use pretty much the majority of airports.

airbus could try to launch a lighter carbon fiber competitor??

 

[jb747]

Boeing have got a couple of major hurdles to overcome. The biggest issue that they're facing is the 737. It needed to be replaced quite some time ago. The 757 was a move in the right direction, but possibly too soon. In any event, Airbus has the A320, and the 737 and it's variants isn't really up to competing in the longer term.

 

[moa999]

I think at the moment Airbus is winning both the ultra large - 380 >> 747-8 and
Shorthaul - 320neo >> 737max
Markets, although ultra-large jets aren't selling as either Boeing or Airbus would like

In the middle the battle between the 777X, 350, 787 and 330neos is still waging with each aircraft type having various advantages and disadvantages depending on the route.

 

[jb747]

In the middle the battle between the 777X, 350, 787 and 330neos is still waging with each aircraft type having various advantages and disadvantages depending on the route.

777X is still vapourware.... But they can't give a 777 away any more.

 

[moa999]

All the talk about a late-2019 entry for the 777X seems to have disappeared.

Anyway recalled this motley fool article which talks about some of the design tradeoffs in these aircraft.

Of note was the point that overall range seems as important from an order perspective to seat costs.
www.fool.com/amp/investing/general/...gger-airbus-a350-be-a-boeing-777x-killer.aspx

 

[UP4014]

I think it's pretty simple, everyone who wanted an A380 has bought one and that's it, they don't need another 380 for many years. I think it's too late in the day to do a freight version as if you're in that business you already have 747s so it's simple to keep with what you know.

So the 380 line will stop due to economics and not enough airlines bought enough of them. A business mistake that happens all over the place but the bigger they are the harder they fall.

Matt

 

[Altair]

Well here is Emirates latest A380, possibly carbon neutral as well.
Emirates A380 at Dubai Miracle Garden youtube.com