Sydney to Cuba

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Hi all,

My son and a group of friends were interested in going to cuba from the 25th of dec. till the 15th of jan. could anyone offer any advice on the flight plan?

They were quoted from a travel agent a flight plan that was sydney to L.A via tahiti on TN 12, then LA to mexico city on AA8301, then mexico city to san jose on LR631 then san jose to havana on LR655. Prices for this flight plan totalled $4332 return on y. does this price sound reasonable? They want to stop over in costa rica as well as tahiti
 
LAN via South America is cheaper and will get you frequent flyer points on QF.

If you want really really cheap Aerolineas Argentinas via Sth AMerica but not sure what frequent flyer program they're part of.
 
Thanks for the propmt reply.
What would a propose routing be? had a looke at Lan's website and it route you through Madrid with a travelling time of 50 hrs!!!:confused:
They could do Sydney - Santiago. What airlines are recommended to go from Santiago to Havana, preferably, through Costa Rico for a stopover?
 
I would see a TA that specialises in South America - they will give you a better fare than you'll get on line.

Perhaps look in Yellow Pages.
 
Please be very careful to check the VISA/passport situation if you are planning to go through the USA to Cuba.

My understanding is that US Immigration don't like allowing entry into the US for people with Cuban visa/visit stamped in their passports.

You may have no choice but to go via Europe or South America.
 
Air Canada have a daily return service from Toronto to Havana, so the typical routing would be SYD-YVR-YYZ-HAV. It may be cheaper to get a RTW ticket if you're going that way.
 
I would try and find an agent that has experience in organising trips to Cuba. a friend of mine went earlier in the year and the agent he went through make doubly sure that entry into Cuba were on separate flight itineries and also differing passports (dual passports). I believe those that didnt have dual passports arranged for "non stamping" of passports.

The USA even has a law that does not allow US citizens to fly cuban.

So US entry with Cuba as part of itinery or passport stamp is not a good idea.

Given Cuba's close proximity to Florida, many Americans are actually smuggled into Cuba.

At 4k for a ticket, wouldnt it be better to get a LONE4 or LONE5. OZ - USA - SA - EUR - ASIA - OZ. This would cost about 4k.
 
Many thanks. Any idea of reliable travel agents located in Sydney that specialise in Sth America? they still hope to stopover in Tahiti and especially Costa Rico.

The "dual passport" concept is a bit worring!! Will be travelling on Aussie passport only.

Cheers.
 
The USA even has a law that does not allow US citizens to fly cuban.

So US entry with Cuba as part of itinery or passport stamp is not a good idea.

Not true. There is no law that prohibits US Citizens visiting Cuba; there are laws governing the spending of US earned money by US Citizens in Cuba.

I cannot see that a non US Citizen will have any issue entering USA even with a Cuba visit

Dave
 
QF/AA to Dallas, AA & many others DFW direct approx 3hr flight to Cancun, Mexico, many options from their to Cuba and if needed I hear passport solutions are available.
 
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Not true. There is no law that prohibits US Citizens visiting Cuba; there are laws governing the spending of US earned money by US Citizens in Cuba.

I cannot see that a non US Citizen will have any issue entering USA even with a Cuba visit

Dave


So there isnt a US embargo aginst Cuba that completely restricts US citizens from going to Cuba? A simple google search will give you some nice results.

So there is no rules from AA that they cannot carry anyone who has been to Cuba? :shock:

All I know is that many of the backpackers I met in Peru (US and non US) made sure they didnt get the Cuban visa stamp on their passports. There is a whole industry of smuggling people from Miami to Cuba.

Perhaps I can rock up to th customs agent in Syria with my passport full of Isreali visa stamps too :rolleyes:
 
Please be very careful to check the VISA/passport situation if you are planning to go through the USA to Cuba.

My understanding is that US Immigration don't like allowing entry into the US for people with Cuban visa/visit stamped in their passports.

I believe US customs isn't concerned if you are a non-US citizen who is not bringing items back from Cuba into the US. Note you can't directly go Cuba-US, you would have to go through either Canada or Mexico or other places to get back into the US.

One thing to keep in mind (reportedly) is that credit card acceptance in Cuba is pretty non-existant. While I can't verify that, it is actually quite logical in that most credit cards are issued by American Companies, and thus they would not be able to deal with Cuba in any way due to the various laws.
 
I'm qualified to answer. We're going to Cuba in Septermber.

We're doing BNE-LAX-JFK//JFK-CUN-HAV//HAV-CUN-DFW-SCL//SCL-AFO//AFO-SCL-EZE//EZE-SCL-AKL-BNE (PHEW!)

There's no issues with stamps in passports.

You CANNOT have the cuba leg on the same ticket as any ticket involving an american stop or airline.

So essentially, you need to get to either mexico city or cancun then get a SEPARATELY TICKETED CUN-HAV-CUN or MEX-HAV-MEX etc.

So you cant do xONEx as it'll have US and cuba on same ticket.

If you're going straight there (we're going to NYC first for other reasons) i'd go SYD-LAX- MEX or SYD-LAX-CUN and return same way. YOu cant do circle pacific fare and come home through Sth America unless you backtrack to US and do US-Mex-US on a separate ticket (cant do Central America on circle pacific).


An alternative would be SYD-AKL-SCL (Santiago) and then LAN to MEX and then across. Will work out about the same time wise, but there's basically no cheap tix SCL-MEX (all full fare in Sth America).


If you need more, PM me, and i can put you onto the travel agency i use (in Melb, but they have offices in Sydney)
 
You CANNOT have the cuba leg on the same ticket as any ticket involving an american stop or airline.

So essentially, you need to get to either mexico city or cancun then get a SEPARATELY TICKETED CUN-HAV-CUN or MEX-HAV-MEX etc.
Yes, these are the restrictions as far as I am aware also.
 
I'm qualified to answer. We're going to Cuba in Septermber.

We're doing BNE-LAX-JFK//JFK-CUN-HAV//HAV-CUN-DFW-SCL//SCL-AFO//AFO-SCL-EZE//EZE-SCL-AKL-BNE (PHEW!)

There's no issues with stamps in passports.

You CANNOT have the cuba leg on the same ticket as any ticket involving an american stop or airline.

So essentially, you need to get to either mexico city or cancun then get a SEPARATELY TICKETED CUN-HAV-CUN or MEX-HAV-MEX etc.

Whilst the comment about not having a Cuba leg on the same ticket as any ticket involving an American stop may be true for the OW fares, (I don't know, hence the "may") I wouldn't go so far as saying it's not true for *any* ticket, generalised.
There are tickets around where U.S. stops are permitted where Cuba is involved on the same ticket, just can't use a U.S. carrier flight number anywhere on the same ticket. That would be financial gain from Cuba for a U.S. company - big no-no. Star Alliance RTW's are one such ticket available.

I'll agree with you 100% about the no issue of stamps in passports. For the others that have posted don't go through U.S. with Cuban stamps in your passport - absolute bollocks. In this day and age of E-ticketing, advance pax information from airlines and the sharing of electronic data from other countries and airlines, they know you've been there anyway, more often than not, so what's the point of not having a stamp?
Mexico and Canada in particular share a lot of information about air travellers with the U.S., for obvious reasons, and as they are the two logical jump points to get into Cuba, you do the math about your odds of the U.S. not knowing your tavel movements priot to the U.S. !! :)
Lying about it would cause you far more grief than going through all the troubles to not get one IMHO.
This is of course, for non-U.S. nationals - U.S. nationals having a Cuba stamp would be a bit of a worry.

The U.S. DHS has no issue with non-U.S. citizens visiting Cuba and then visiting the U.S. afterwards, however U.S. Customs do have an issue if you attempt to bring anything from Cuba into the U.S. I've seen something as innocent as a "Hola from Havana" postcard confiscated at the Customs check. As you need to "enter" the U.S., even as a transit these days, you are subject to possible Customs checks.
Also don't lie on your arrival forms and omit Cuba if you've been there before visiting the U.S. That's another huge red flag for them and as mentioned before, they already know more often than not.

As to getting in and out, there are the more well known usual methods via Mexico and also little known options via Air Canada & Canada. AC actually flies into 5 Cuban ports from various cities in Canada, pending the time of year. Varadero used to be served more often than Havana (not sure if that's still the case) and was a good option to get in and out, given it's proximity to Havana and the fact the Havana flights are often sold out.
The Star Alliance RTW used to be a brilliant option as Austrian served HAV and VRA nonstop from VIE, but since they dropped that route any Star RTW now requires backtracking through Canada. Maybe when CO join Star (*if* they're permitted to join Star probably a better use of wording!) they will drag their close associate COPA into Star with them and that will open up the Star RTW again.
 
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Thanks to all who have given their advice and knowledge which were gratefully digested!!
Yes, there's really no cheap way of getting there........but seems a great (exotic?) place to visit.
Anyway, son and his group have sorted out their plans and routing. All's well.
Many thanks again.
Ric
 
Not true. There is no law that prohibits US Citizens visiting Cuba; there are laws governing the spending of US earned money by US Citizens in Cuba.
Dave


There is a law that prohibits travel by US citizens or any person in the US directly to Cuba: The Cuban Assets Control Regulations, 31 CFR Part 515 issued by the U.S. Government on 8 July 1963 under the Trading With the Enemy Act in response to certain hostile actions by the Cuban government. They are still in force today and affect all U.S. citizens and permanent residents wherever they are located, all people and organizations physically in the United States, and all branches and subsidiaries of U.S. organizations throughout the world.

Basically you need a licence to travel to Cuba direct from the US and many US based citizens bypass this law by travelling from another country and taking the risk of a fine.

More info here: U.S. Treasury - Sanctions Program Summaries - Cuba
 
There is a law that prohibits travel by US citizens or any person in the US directly to Cuba: The Cuban Assets Control Regulations, 31 CFR Part 515 issued by the U.S. Government on 8 July 1963 under the Trading With the Enemy Act in response to certain hostile actions by the Cuban government. They are still in force today and affect all U.S. citizens and permanent residents wherever they are located, all people and organizations physically in the United States, and all branches and subsidiaries of U.S. organizations throughout the world.

Basically you need a licence to travel to Cuba direct from the US and many US based citizens bypass this law by travelling from another country and taking the risk of a fine.

More info here: U.S. Treasury - Sanctions Program Summaries - Cuba
This is interesting as I have friends who boat over to Cuba periodically from Key West.

I wonder if they know they are breaking the law :?: :cool:
 
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